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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 3844716" data-attributes="member: 1003">I feel the same way, but you know what? I don't think the 4E designers do.If you consider the Warlock and Tiefling, and the flavor text for both, and Rich Baker's (It was Rich, right? Or someone else ...) comments/questions about &quot;How evil can we make the Warlock?&quot;, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that the 4E designers are trying to make a game that allows you to &quot;bat for the other side.&quot;Which I think is a real shame.&nbsp; I don't want to get all religious/political/alignment debatey, but to skirt the issue, I'll just present my conclusion: I think encouraging people to role-play evil characters is a bad idea.&nbsp; They'll either get it wrong, which will corrupt their ability to recognize true evil, or they'll get it right, which may be worse.As for orcs, I do want to stick to the Tolkien version.&nbsp; D&amp;D has moved away from being a Tolkien sim by introducing new races and concepts, but that hasn't necessarily changed the core.&nbsp; Aragorn is still recognizabley a Ranger, Gimli is a Dwarf as the PHB presents them, etc. etc.&nbsp; I'd like the option to carve down and away the new stuff and play a Fellowship of the Ring if I wanted to.&nbsp; But if Orcs as a &quot;misunderstood&quot; PC race are Core, it just gets a little harder.Since we know Shifters and Gnomes are out, and I think a DL Minotaur unlikely, my vote is for Changeling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 3844716, member: 1003"] I feel the same way, but you know what? I don't think the 4E designers do. If you consider the Warlock and Tiefling, and the flavor text for both, and Rich Baker's (It was Rich, right? Or someone else ...) comments/questions about "How evil can we make the Warlock?", it's not hard to come to the conclusion that the 4E designers are trying to make a game that allows you to "bat for the other side." Which I think is a real shame. I don't want to get all religious/political/alignment debatey, but to skirt the issue, I'll just present my conclusion: I think encouraging people to role-play evil characters is a bad idea. They'll either get it wrong, which will corrupt their ability to recognize true evil, or they'll get it right, which may be worse. As for orcs, I do want to stick to the Tolkien version. D&D has moved away from being a Tolkien sim by introducing new races and concepts, but that hasn't necessarily changed the core. Aragorn is still recognizabley a Ranger, Gimli is a Dwarf as the PHB presents them, etc. etc. I'd like the option to carve down and away the new stuff and play a Fellowship of the Ring if I wanted to. But if Orcs as a "misunderstood" PC race are Core, it just gets a little harder. Since we know Shifters and Gnomes are out, and I think a DL Minotaur unlikely, my vote is for Changeling. [/QUOTE]

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