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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9237715" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Bluntly, I think it often goes beyond that; that the GM can be counted on to manage setting coherence and how well it supports the story but individual players or even players as a group will wreck things trying to support their own personal interest if given a chance (Lanefan has outright said this on occasion, but others seem to believe it but are less willing to be quite that blunt).The same people who will be utterly appalled at someone saying they don't extend a GM unlimited trust seem very unwilling to do even halfway that for players.  The double-standard can be kind of striking.Superhero games, barring some of the really earliest ones, have tended to have metacurrency and rules for using it even outside of the direct character action for a very long time because of their stylization.  As I noted, adding fairly large elements to the setting as a set-up for character definition isn't exactly rare there.  Admittedly, this can be argued to be in part that superhero settings are so kitchen-sink in most cases that they can absorb a lot of such things without even a ripple, but that's more an issue of scale than difference in kind in most cases; most fantasy campaigns can absorb a secret organization or a faraway country without much impact, too.Or at least it heavily rewards them doing so.  Its not impossible for people to play neotrad games in a fashion that makes their characters more like supporting characters  if they don't feel like putting in a lot of effort.</blockquote>

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