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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7189788" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think that's part of your issue.  You're looking at it as though the game is on the DM's part where he's trying to set up the very closest, most razor-thin chance of being the truest challenge-- without actually killing the players.Wherein the truth I suspect is more along the line that the DM is going to throw challenges out there of all stripes... many of which could conceivably kill the players if they weren't careful or really efficient with their tactics... and it comes down to the players trying to MINIMIZE as many of the factors that could cause their death as possible.Optimizing your PC is one of those ways to do it.  If you can get your PC as optimized as possible, that's one less thing you have to worry about while running these encounters trying to win.  At that point, the things you are concerned of are the tactics and group actions and strategy (all of which will kill you too if you aren't on your game.)And you are right... this is not something 99% of the D&D gaming populace probably worries about or every really considers to be an issue.  But so what?  If it's a potential issue for them... then it's something they need to concern themselves with and work really hard to ameliorate.  No different than the World of Warcraft Mythic raider that has to make multiple dungeon runs to gear up, learn stats, and practice.  That's the game they are choosing to play because it interests them... and its not anything the rest of us will really understand.  But that's okay.</blockquote>

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