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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Burned Man" data-source="post: 72070" data-attributes="member: 338">"Is the text from a human written, historical standpoint?"No. Since this is the history of the Mortal civilization of the Last Haven (the Kessel and the Mountains). This was one of the orginal CONCEPTS of the world, ie that the mortals interbred heavily unlike in other worlds."If so, it is entirely concievable that the majority of the territory beyond the fiendlands is unknown to them, especially those that border near other realms. I was looking over the text when I made my suggestion."You´re confusing  me here? "My point was thus: Because the races in the fiendlands are mixed, it has been extremely difficult for a purebred race to survive there. Thus the hobgoblins, after years of trying to survive against years of opposition, are now forced to flee into the Kessel or be wiped out. This explains a sudden influx of what esentially would be a new race/threat suddenly appearing in an ongoing campaign."The text describes the Kessel. The status of mortal slaves in the Broken Lands hasnt really been touched, except that their propably subjugated to slavery, maltreatment and fiendish experimentation (reths anyone). "Most of the pure-blood empires on the isles are already documented. It would be weird to have another suddenly spring up. also that role is already filled by the Garam' Shar, if we are going to add a new race it should fill a new role within the campaign. That said, there is no reason not to apply Imperialus's idea assuming that the Hobgoblins are another race of Orc lead by a newly arrived charismatic leader (perhaps even an Orc Patron)who is now trying to spread his power in the Kessel. (although, that's similar to what the fiends have been attempting for years)."They´d be smashed like bugs by the Patrons. Remember that the mortal societies are not you´re average quasi-medieval peoples of other worlds.They´ve been fighting continiously for 1600 years with Fiends, the War waxes and wanes but goes on forever. A hob-goblin wouldn´t find the peoples of the mountains that different from themselves (especially when it comes to their Lawful nature, and especially the people of the Forge are in many ways alike, valuing strength whether it be physical or mental).---------------Still I have nothing against a hob-goblin principality. I´d just like to adress that it would have to fit into the civilization of the Kessel (as the Leader of the Hobgoblins would have the political position of a prince). And as I said before even if the Hob-Goblins themselves remain reasonably pure (enough to avoid alterations of their stats), they can still have other peoples living within their realm. Ie they are the militaristic rulers of a "militocracy" (is that the right term, a nation run by the military.There are only supposed to be seven patrons. Although other powerful beings are possible (look at the Pale Sorcerors).</blockquote>

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