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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imperialus" data-source="post: 81364" data-attributes="member: 893">look just because a place was human dominated doesn't mean exclusively human.  There could have been scattered hobgoblin tribes liveing in the heavally forested southeren reach of the Kessel long before the fiends invaded.  In fact it was mentioned in the history of Egran that it was founded on a wild and untamed frontier.  It's like England.  Just because it is dominated by those of Normen Saxon decent doesn't mean that other peoples like the Scots and Irish haven't been liveing there just as long.I'm not sure they would make such a good refugee race.  After all they are more organized than orcs and just as militaristic.  It seems to me that they would stand and fight against the fiends rather than run away.Anyhow like I said it was just an idea.  It doesn't seem to have much support so I won't persue it.*edit* and I don't want the Hobgoblin leaders to be in any way as powerful as the patrons.  I was mostly just looking to them as an excuse to insert some politiking with a very biligerant race into the Kessel.  After all there are large numbers of Orcs liveing in the Kessel but they are for the most part leaderless and have integrated quite well into the rest of mortal society.  Not so with the Hobgoblins.  They have remained defiantly independant even though they pay lip service to the various patrons they refuse to allow themselves to be directly influanced.  Basically the only reason anyone tollerates them and doesn't just aggressively settle their principality either wipeing them of the map or forceing them to intigrate as the Orcs did is because they make such damn good soldiers against the fiends.</blockquote>

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