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<blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 323256" data-attributes="member: 4303"><p>Relative power levels are a very hard call. Maybe some things to consider (in a stream of consciousness kind of way):</p><p></p><p>On one hand, you have the Valar doing very god-like things (making continents, kindling stars etc.), yet on the other they travel through conventional means (Orome rides to speak with the Elves at Cuivienen, Tulkas pursues Melkor on foot etc.), and they lack omniscience - obviously, Divine Abilities would have to be modified somewhat from DDg. Also, no worshippers (except Melkor, maybe? Can Melkor grant divine spells?)</p><p></p><p>Aule creates the dwarves, Yavanna the Ents.</p><p></p><p>Melkor raises the Misty Mountains, but pours his power into the things that he has corrupted, diminishing himself. He is unable to assume another form.</p><p></p><p>After drinking from the wells of Varda and draining the sap from the two trees, Ungoliant threatens Melkor. He is rescued by Balrogs.</p><p></p><p>Sauron self-incarnates on several occasions: his form remains uncorrupted until the fall of Numenor, then he assumes an evil form to which he is confined. When he is slain by Gil-galad and Elendil, he loses even this form and becomes an abstract "Eye"- although it seems possible that he can resume a physical body when he regains the One Ring.</p><p></p><p>Fingolfin vs. Melkor in single combat.</p><p></p><p>The duel between Finrod and Sauron: close call.</p><p></p><p>Ecthelion of the fountain slays Gothmog.</p><p></p><p>In the 'Second Prophecy of Mandos' (Book of Lost Tales II, I think), a reference is made to the eschatology of Arda: a reincarnated Turin Turambar will finally slay Melkor in the Last Battle.</p><p></p><p>I feel that some kind of explanation is required to explain the diminishment in stature which accompanies corruption (Melkor, Sauron): perhaps it is implicit in the 'rules' set by Illuvatar regarding the way Arda operates. Melkor is finally bound and humbled by Eonwe who, although powerful, is of a lesser order of power than Melkor was in the beginning.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps 'Wizard' is a template that can be added to any Maia: unlike other templates, however, it diminishes rather than enhances the subject.</p><p></p><p>Etc. etc. etc.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I will, although I need to add some backstory first.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sepulchrave II, post: 323256, member: 4303"] Relative power levels are a very hard call. Maybe some things to consider (in a stream of consciousness kind of way): On one hand, you have the Valar doing very god-like things (making continents, kindling stars etc.), yet on the other they travel through conventional means (Orome rides to speak with the Elves at Cuivienen, Tulkas pursues Melkor on foot etc.), and they lack omniscience - obviously, Divine Abilities would have to be modified somewhat from DDg. Also, no worshippers (except Melkor, maybe? Can Melkor grant divine spells?) Aule creates the dwarves, Yavanna the Ents. Melkor raises the Misty Mountains, but pours his power into the things that he has corrupted, diminishing himself. He is unable to assume another form. After drinking from the wells of Varda and draining the sap from the two trees, Ungoliant threatens Melkor. He is rescued by Balrogs. Sauron self-incarnates on several occasions: his form remains uncorrupted until the fall of Numenor, then he assumes an evil form to which he is confined. When he is slain by Gil-galad and Elendil, he loses even this form and becomes an abstract "Eye"- although it seems possible that he can resume a physical body when he regains the One Ring. Fingolfin vs. Melkor in single combat. The duel between Finrod and Sauron: close call. Ecthelion of the fountain slays Gothmog. In the 'Second Prophecy of Mandos' (Book of Lost Tales II, I think), a reference is made to the eschatology of Arda: a reincarnated Turin Turambar will finally slay Melkor in the Last Battle. I feel that some kind of explanation is required to explain the diminishment in stature which accompanies corruption (Melkor, Sauron): perhaps it is implicit in the 'rules' set by Illuvatar regarding the way Arda operates. Melkor is finally bound and humbled by Eonwe who, although powerful, is of a lesser order of power than Melkor was in the beginning. Perhaps 'Wizard' is a template that can be added to any Maia: unlike other templates, however, it diminishes rather than enhances the subject. Etc. etc. etc. I will, although I need to add some backstory first. [/QUOTE]
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