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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4748181" data-attributes="member: 22779">I gotta call shenanigans on this very thinly veiled edition war volley.&quot;almost never refered to game terms&quot;?&nbsp; Are you kidding.&nbsp; Umm, THAC0?&nbsp; One minute rounds?&nbsp; Measurements in INCHES?&nbsp; Come on.Hang on, you were just telling me that pre-d20 D&amp;D was less abstract simulationist.&nbsp; But, you certainly never swing anything other than a d20 to attack in ANY version of D&amp;D.&nbsp; So, you're pretty much saying that D&amp;D, in any iteration, isn't a role playing game.&nbsp; Since the only way to role play is to use mechanics which directly mirror that which you are acting out, according to you, then any version of D&amp;D is not a role playing game.You do realize that this is a definition of RPG that is pretty much not going to fly too well don't you?If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the only way I can role play is if the game has direct correlation with whatever is being simulated.&nbsp; Good grief, you realize that this definition bars about 99% of games out there from the term role play?What is the point of defining role play in such a way that makes it pretty much meaningless?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4748181, member: 22779"] I gotta call shenanigans on this very thinly veiled edition war volley. "almost never refered to game terms"? Are you kidding. Umm, THAC0? One minute rounds? Measurements in INCHES? Come on. Hang on, you were just telling me that pre-d20 D&D was less abstract simulationist. But, you certainly never swing anything other than a d20 to attack in ANY version of D&D. So, you're pretty much saying that D&D, in any iteration, isn't a role playing game. Since the only way to role play is to use mechanics which directly mirror that which you are acting out, according to you, then any version of D&D is not a role playing game. You do realize that this is a definition of RPG that is pretty much not going to fly too well don't you? If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that the only way I can role play is if the game has direct correlation with whatever is being simulated. Good grief, you realize that this definition bars about 99% of games out there from the term role play? What is the point of defining role play in such a way that makes it pretty much meaningless? [/QUOTE]

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