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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4749823" data-attributes="member: 463">This confuses statement of action (by player) with resolution of action (by DM).&nbsp; In pre-3e D&amp;D, the player of a non-spellcaster did not actually need to know any rules to play the game.Player:&nbsp; &quot;I attack the orcs with my sword.&quot;GM: &quot;OK, roll a d20&quot;Player rolls.&nbsp; GM looks at die.GM: &quot;OK, you hit the leading orc.&nbsp; Roll damage..&quot;Player:&nbsp; &quot;Sheet says I do d8+3&quot;Player rolls.&nbsp; GM looks at result.GM:&nbsp; &quot;OK, you cut down the first orc.&nbsp; Its friends raise their scimitars as they come on...&quot;It also works fine with the GM keeping hold of the character sheet - eg I'm currently in a battle in a C&amp;C PBEM (with super orcs, who are kicking our butts!), I simply state what my Fighter is doing and the GM resolves the results, I don't need to look at my character sheet.In 3e this is still just about possible with a pregen PC with the right feat selection and options noted on the sheet; I play 3e with my wife and in-laws this way.&nbsp; In 4e it looks to me to be impossible. Anyway, my point is that certainly in pre-3e D&amp;D the player did not need to know anything about THAC0, inches, or other rules in order to play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 4749823, member: 463"] This confuses statement of action (by player) with resolution of action (by DM). In pre-3e D&D, the player of a non-spellcaster did not actually need to know any rules to play the game. Player: "I attack the orcs with my sword." GM: "OK, roll a d20" Player rolls. GM looks at die. GM: "OK, you hit the leading orc. Roll damage.." Player: "Sheet says I do d8+3" Player rolls. GM looks at result. GM: "OK, you cut down the first orc. Its friends raise their scimitars as they come on..." It also works fine with the GM keeping hold of the character sheet - eg I'm currently in a battle in a C&C PBEM (with super orcs, who are kicking our butts!), I simply state what my Fighter is doing and the GM resolves the results, I don't need to look at my character sheet. In 3e this is still just about possible with a pregen PC with the right feat selection and options noted on the sheet; I play 3e with my wife and in-laws this way. In 4e it looks to me to be impossible. Anyway, my point is that certainly in pre-3e D&D the player did not need to know anything about THAC0, inches, or other rules in order to play. [/QUOTE]

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