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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 253817" data-attributes="member: 2013">Re: Re: Agreed...In words attributed to Albert Einstein, &quot;if you can't explain something to a reasonably intelligent six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.&quot;&nbsp; That's why I deliberately picked that example - I feel that &quot;clearly&quot; should conform to that standard.&nbsp; I personally think that's an excellent &quot;standard candle&quot; for Section 8 of the OGL.&nbsp; Now, I know Clark disagrees with me, but he has other reasons for doing so (namely, to help protect his livelihood from being posted - legally - all over the net) rather than &quot;six year olds are dumb.&quot;&nbsp; Perhaps I want &quot;clearly&quot; to mean &quot;simply&quot; in the context of the OGL but that's another discussion.So if you haven't experienced the problem yourself that makes it trivial?&nbsp; I *have* run into problems trying to &quot;lift&quot; OGC for my own legal use (for one thing, I am trying to put together an OGL compliant campaign sourcebook for my players), so please don't demean me and try to handwave things away by saying &quot;if the problem doesn't come up, why complain?&quot;&nbsp; For me, the problem has come up SEVERAL times.&nbsp; Now, when I've asked folks, &quot;I don't know if this is OGC - can I use it even if it's not?&quot; I've always gotten a polite &quot;yes it's OGC&quot; or &quot;sure, no problem!&nbsp; We'd love to let you use it even though it isn't!&quot;&nbsp; The publishing community is great that way, but my issue isn't with the community on this so much as the fact that there is sometimes a delination problem.&nbsp; That a &quot;nice community&quot; exists doesn't solve the problem - the community may eventually be &quot;not nice.&quot;Again, the problem *has* come up.&nbsp; I *AM* a publisher (not a big one, but I do release d20 products for money), so please don't try to handwave me away by saying, &quot;well, you're not a publisher so who cares what you think?&quot;&nbsp; This is very much an issue for me and frankly I found your comments insulting and belittling.&nbsp; Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but in essence I got, &quot;well, this hasn't affected me so I assume it hasn't affected you - and even if it has, because I don't care that it happened to you, you shouldn't care that it happened to you either.&quot;The bottom line is this - ultimately, the RPG consumer is affected by what decisions publishers do and don't make - and the ones they can and can't make.&nbsp; That means that consumers might want to be a little worried about this as well.&nbsp; The RPG community needs to have discussion between consumers and producers.&nbsp; When you get discussion between multiple producers and ignore the consumers, you get Major League Baseball.--The Sigil</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 253817, member: 2013"] [b]Re: Re: Agreed...[/b] In words attributed to Albert Einstein, "if you can't explain something to a reasonably intelligent six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself." That's why I deliberately picked that example - I feel that "clearly" should conform to that standard. I personally think that's an excellent "standard candle" for Section 8 of the OGL. Now, I know Clark disagrees with me, but he has other reasons for doing so (namely, to help protect his livelihood from being posted - legally - all over the net) rather than "six year olds are dumb." Perhaps I want "clearly" to mean "simply" in the context of the OGL but that's another discussion. So if you haven't experienced the problem yourself that makes it trivial? I *have* run into problems trying to "lift" OGC for my own legal use (for one thing, I am trying to put together an OGL compliant campaign sourcebook for my players), so please don't demean me and try to handwave things away by saying "if the problem doesn't come up, why complain?" For me, the problem has come up SEVERAL times. Now, when I've asked folks, "I don't know if this is OGC - can I use it even if it's not?" I've always gotten a polite "yes it's OGC" or "sure, no problem! We'd love to let you use it even though it isn't!" The publishing community is great that way, but my issue isn't with the community on this so much as the fact that there is sometimes a delination problem. That a "nice community" exists doesn't solve the problem - the community may eventually be "not nice." Again, the problem *has* come up. I *AM* a publisher (not a big one, but I do release d20 products for money), so please don't try to handwave me away by saying, "well, you're not a publisher so who cares what you think?" This is very much an issue for me and frankly I found your comments insulting and belittling. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but in essence I got, "well, this hasn't affected me so I assume it hasn't affected you - and even if it has, because I don't care that it happened to you, you shouldn't care that it happened to you either." The bottom line is this - ultimately, the RPG consumer is affected by what decisions publishers do and don't make - and the ones they can and can't make. That means that consumers might want to be a little worried about this as well. The RPG community needs to have discussion between consumers and producers. When you get discussion between multiple producers and ignore the consumers, you get Major League Baseball. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]

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