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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 7231669" data-attributes="member: 6778044">Yes, I've been looking at combat and non-combat cases, but hopeful that a consistent approach will work across the board.While I'm comparing to RAW, I use a slightly different rule for critical hits that incorporates the concept of "confirming" your critical hit. Instead of rolling a die, though, your attack simply has to be 5 or more than what was needed to hit.The purpose of this is to eliminate the fact that when a creature can only hit on a 20, then every hit is a critical hit. But I think that this works well regardless of that, but I'll expand.First, my current concept is this:Untrained - add your ability modifier (maximum +1)Proficiency - proficiency modifier or ability modifier, whichever if higher. In most cases, this means you'll have a +1 advantage over other proficient characters for your prime requisite.Expert - proficiency plus ability modifier. This puts a spread of up to 3 points for experts (since it's pointless to have expertise if all you'll get is a +1 bonus).So at 1st level (assuming standard array):Untrained: +1 maximum.Proficient: +3 for prime requisite, +2 for everything else, except the 8 which would be +1.Expert: +5 for prime requisite, +4 for second highest, +3 for the next two, down to +1 for lowest score.Maybe my math is off, but I'm getting a maximum proficiency bonus with expertise as +11 (+6 for the proficiency bonus and +5 for your ability modifier). I'm not sure what you mean by Max Attribute Bonus. So no rounding needed just:Untrained: Ability modifier, maximum of +1 (Maximum of +1 obviously)Proficiency: The higher of your proficiency bonus or ability modifier (Maximum of +6, since it will exceed your ability modifier)Expertise: Proficiency bonus + ability bonus. (Maximum of +11)A little more food for thought, should character level play into untrained? Instead of:Untrained = Ability modifier, maximum of +1; it could be:Untrained = Ability modifier, maximum of proficiency bonus -1.That way higher level characters get to use more of their ability modifier, showing some experience in similar situations, if not actual training.</blockquote>

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