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<blockquote data-quote="DeJoker" data-source="post: 7231923" data-attributes="member: 6907519">Okay I think you may have misunderstood what I was outlining.The maximum Attribute Bonus is achieved when a character obtains the maximum value that an Attribute can have (aka 20) which is a +5The regular maximum Proficiency Bonus is achieved when a character obtains the maximum character level (aka level 20) which is a +6The proposed Expertise maximum Proficiency Bonus is also achieved when a character obtains the maximum character level (aka level 20) which is a +11Thus the maximum Raw Attribute Bonus (RAB) would be +5While the maximum Proficiency Bonus (PB) would be +6And the maximum Expertise Proficiency Bonus (EPB) would be +11Now bringing back in my suggested numbers with those aspects outlined above we have once again the following :No Proficiency = RAB&nbsp;Proficiency..... = RAB + PB/2 (until PB &gt; RAB then PB + RAB/2)Here we actually have 3 states and using the our Maximum values in this example it would look a suchNo Proficiency = RAB (+5)Proficiency .... = RAB (+5) + PB/2 (rounddown) -- this would give a range of +6 to +7&nbsp; at which point this math ends because PB (+6) &gt; RAB (+5)New Proficiency = PB (+6) + RAB (+5)/2 (roundup)(+3) -- this gives the total value of +9Now apply that with Expertise (EPB) and you getProficiency .... = RAB (+5) + EPB/2 (rounddown) -- this would again give a range of +6 to +7 at which point this math ends because EPB (+6) &gt; RAB (+5)New Proficiency = EPB (+6 to +11) + RAB (+5)/2 (roundup)(+3) -- this would give a range of +9 to +14 I hope that clears up the confusion</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DeJoker, post: 7231923, member: 6907519"] Okay I think you may have misunderstood what I was outlining. The maximum Attribute Bonus is achieved when a character obtains the maximum value that an Attribute can have (aka 20) which is a +5 The regular maximum Proficiency Bonus is achieved when a character obtains the maximum character level (aka level 20) which is a +6 The proposed Expertise maximum Proficiency Bonus is also achieved when a character obtains the maximum character level (aka level 20) which is a +11 Thus the maximum Raw Attribute Bonus (RAB) would be +5 While the maximum Proficiency Bonus (PB) would be +6 And the maximum Expertise Proficiency Bonus (EPB) would be +11 Now bringing back in my suggested numbers with those aspects outlined above we have once again the following : No Proficiency = RAB Proficiency..... = RAB + PB/2 (until PB > RAB then PB + RAB/2) Here we actually have 3 states and using the our Maximum values in this example it would look a such No Proficiency = RAB (+5) Proficiency .... = RAB (+5) + PB/2 (rounddown) -- this would give a range of +6 to +7 at which point this math ends because PB (+6) > RAB (+5) New Proficiency = PB (+6) + RAB (+5)/2 (roundup)(+3) -- this gives the total value of +9 Now apply that with Expertise (EPB) and you get Proficiency .... = RAB (+5) + EPB/2 (rounddown) -- this would again give a range of +6 to +7 at which point this math ends because EPB (+6) > RAB (+5) New Proficiency = EPB (+6 to +11) + RAB (+5)/2 (roundup)(+3) -- this would give a range of +9 to +14 I hope that clears up the confusion [/QUOTE]

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