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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5732984" data-attributes="member: 7006">The E6 idea was my thought as well.  Enough levels to last a while and give you a sense of actual advancement... but not so many that it becomes too cumbersome for a starter set.  5 levels works out well.As far as the druid/bard idea... that was my reasoning for putting forth the idea of not necessarily having 'classes' in Adventurer tier, but rather selecting role and power source.  This gives you a couple advantages.  First, you can cut down on the number of powers needed in Adventurer Tier by having ones that cut across ALL roles of a particular source, or ALL sources of a particular role.  So for instance Power Strike might be a Level 1 Martial Encounter power any Martial role can take (martial defender, martial ranged striker, martial melee leader etc.)  Or Pinning Strike might be a Ranged Controller At-Will power that any power source can take (and each power source can fluff it in whatever manner makes sense).Second, by opening it up that way and not going the Fallen Lands route of the standard Fighter / Cleric / Rogue / Wizard... you aren't forcing a particular role or a particular power source on someone.  If you wanted to be a Divine character, you'd either have to play the cleric or wait for a supplement to come out that had other divine options in it.  Because that Adventurer Tier box set wouldn't be able to include all of them without making the set too darn big. This way my reasoning for removing the Paragon Tier and going straight from Heroic to Epic at 16, ending at 20.  As many current Epic players have discovered... Levels 21-30 have just so many crazy things that are so difficult to balance that it's no wonder that Epic is more difficult to sell to people.  I know I sometimes feel overwhelmed by my players and they're only in the middle of Paragon currently.  That would be even more true if they had to buy Epic Tier over and above 10 levels of Paragon Tier.  By removing those last 10 levels and dropping Epic to 16-20... you're only asking players to buy one more smaller level set following the purchase of Heroic... which is more likely to get players to impulsively do so than the 15 levels of a combined Paragon/Epic.A player receives the Starter Set as a gift and learns to play.  If he likes it, he'll buy Heroic to advance the characters even further than he originally thought.  Then, after playing the game at Heroic for another 6 months to a year and finally reaches level 15... he then sees the last box set to pick up is only 5 levels of Epic material, and can decide if he wants to take the plunge and finish the campaign off.  That to me is a much more likely and sellable scenario to people than having that same player finish Heroic and then seeing a box that includes 15 more levels to play.  I suspect that player would be more likely just not bother buying it at all at that point and go back instead to playing Adventurer and Heroic Tier again (considering those 15 levels of Paragon/Epic would encompass a full doubling of campaign time after that point.By making that third set Epic-only from 16-20 (rather than Paragon-Epic from 16-30)... you have more space in the box to include more stuff and more mechanics and more complexity to make the 5 levels of Epic truly different than Heroic and Adventurer (which granted is really important if you want to make Epic worth buying since its only 5 levels of material-- you'd want extensive and really cool material in it.)  You'd have a much harder time of trying to do two different Tiers of complexity in a single box if you went up to 30 I think.  But that's just me.</blockquote>

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