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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5733782" data-attributes="member: 46713">Then I don't understand why your (initial) proposal ends at level 20?I basically ignored that part because it doesn't make much sense to me in a discussion about tiers. Both complaints can (and should) be addressed in different ways:1) is difficult to solve, considering the restrictions of a low-cost entry-level product. I don't see any satisfying way to increase replayability without increasing cost, and fiddling with (existing) tiers won't help at all (see below, though!).2) would have been easy to avoid - I have no idea how WotC botched this! It wouldn't have been difficult at all to ensure the characters stayed compatible with Essentials. The only excuse I can think of (and it's not a good one) is a rushed release. But where's the connection to making changes to tiers? I don't see it.Well, the BECMI Red Box covered only three levels, so five levels is probably too much. Considering a trend I'm seeing in this thread and one of the often-mentioned criticisms of 4e what I could see is something else:4e doesn't have a 'mundane tier', everyone starts out being a hero at level 1. To address that a box would have to support game play at, say, levels -3 to 1!Then you could indeed start as a (talented) nobody: Instead of starting the game with two at-wills, 1-2 encounter powers, a utility, and a daily power, you'd gain them step by step in levels -3 to 0, ending up with a regular level 1 heroic pc.That would also offer more (re)playability without increasing the required box content by much.Now the other tier-based boxed sets can easily cover ten levels each, with a minimum of overlap in the heroic tier for level 1.As an additional incentive, I could imagine getting a small benefit for playing through levels -3 to 1 instead of simply starting at level 1. E.g. it's plausible you'd start with a magic item, gain an extra feat or trained skill, etc.</blockquote>

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