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<blockquote data-quote="Justin Bacon" data-source="post: 3123490" data-attributes="member: 3795"><p>Improved Toughness is, frankly, evidence of half-assed design.</p><p></p><p>1. Toughness is a crappy feat. Its utility starts out minimal and then becomes increasingly useless as time goes by.</p><p></p><p>2. Improved Toughness, OTOH, is what Toughness should have looked like originally: +1 hp per level is useful and it continues to be useful for as long as you play the character.</p><p></p><p>3. Improved Toughness doesn't have a prereq of Toughness. In fact, the only prereq for Improved Toughness serves no function except to prevent some characters from selecting the feat at the ONLY levels where Toughness is the (temporarily) superior or equal choice.</p><p></p><p>The only conceivable reason that the designers didn't rewrite Toughness as a +1 hp per level feat with no prereqs is that they specifically wanted a crippled feat for the purposes of PrC qualifications. This is, frankly, stupid. If you want someone to basically waste a feat selection to qualify for a PrC, just create a specific "dead" feat with no other benefit than that it allows you to take the PrC.</p><p></p><p>Toughness should be +1 hp per level. Improved Toughness would probably not be busted as a +2 hp per level feat with Toughness as a prereq, although if you're nervous about it you can probably toss in Great Fortitude as another prereq.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justin Bacon, post: 3123490, member: 3795"] Improved Toughness is, frankly, evidence of half-assed design. 1. Toughness is a crappy feat. Its utility starts out minimal and then becomes increasingly useless as time goes by. 2. Improved Toughness, OTOH, is what Toughness should have looked like originally: +1 hp per level is useful and it continues to be useful for as long as you play the character. 3. Improved Toughness doesn't have a prereq of Toughness. In fact, the only prereq for Improved Toughness serves no function except to prevent some characters from selecting the feat at the ONLY levels where Toughness is the (temporarily) superior or equal choice. The only conceivable reason that the designers didn't rewrite Toughness as a +1 hp per level feat with no prereqs is that they specifically wanted a crippled feat for the purposes of PrC qualifications. This is, frankly, stupid. If you want someone to basically waste a feat selection to qualify for a PrC, just create a specific "dead" feat with no other benefit than that it allows you to take the PrC. Toughness should be +1 hp per level. Improved Toughness would probably not be busted as a +2 hp per level feat with Toughness as a prereq, although if you're nervous about it you can probably toss in Great Fortitude as another prereq. [/QUOTE]
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