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Message: <blockquote data-quote="renau1g" data-source="post: 5475664" data-attributes="member: 54810">[sblock=ooc]Yeah I realized part-way through that the over-leveled monsters were not the right choice, and in the future will work with lower level ones and more of them. Note when I say optimized, I guess I mean we get 25 points and a free expertise feat here (although only Damen has that now). Also, my home game is with my wife who plays a tiefling ranger who didn't take Twin Strike because it was too boring, and a friend who's playing a halfling warden (because he loves halflings and shapechanging as a warden is cool). Tactics are not their thing either. Level n challenge them...even before MM3. Funny thing about the fight is that it was an n+2 encounter. 7 PC's @ an average level of 4. Level 6 encounter starts at 1750 xp, that was 2000. n+4 would be 2800. That said it was much harder in practice than on paper with the higher defenses and attacks of the level 6-8 foes. You can try to rest here, or try the portal and cross your fingers it's more hospitable than the desert...It seems with the new MM3 damage expressions n+4 would be almost guarenteed TPK. [/sblock]</blockquote>