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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 644150" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>Someone posted a beautiful explanation one time on this board, which I'll paraphrase. It came up in a discussion about whether Detect Evil would detect people of evil alignment.</p><p></p><p>There are two kinds of evil: "evil", and "Evil".</p><p></p><p>"evil" means he chose an evil alignment, does some evil things, etc., but there's nothing inherently nasty about him. He can be redeemed.</p><p></p><p>"Evil" means you're inherently evil (Devil/Demon). You're tainted, no matter what you do, and you will always be drawn to the dark side.</p><p>This is usually reserved for outsiders, or any race that has "Always Evil" as the alignment.</p><p>(First person to mention a certain drow gets smacked)</p><p></p><p>The point of this was, a normal human can be evil, not Evil. A Detect Evil spell shouldn't spot him, no matter what his alignment is, unless he is actively performing an evil action at the time. Unfortunately the rules don't differentiate like this.</p><p></p><p>Now, how does this apply to the original post? If the guy was just a normal human with evil tendencies, the Paladin MIGHT tolerate grouping with him for a common goal, as long as he is actively trying to do something good.</p><p>But, the moment you mentioned half-Fiend, he switched into that pure Evil group. "Cleric of evil deity" would have crossed the line in its own right.</p><p>In the most extreme deity's cases, he is now a thing to be Smited on sight. You can argue that your deity doesn't have such a restrictive code of conduct, so maybe you could excuse letting him live. But helping him gain power by restoring a destroyed kingdom? And, to top it off, not only is he not repentant about his evil, he wants to convert the rest of the party?</p><p></p><p>Kingmatzomat:</p><p>Helping a cleric of an evil deity gain power is, in itself, an "evil end" IMO, since by extension you're helping the evil deity gain power.</p><p></p><p>What amazes me is, there's a second Paladin in the party, of an even more extreme deity, and HE hasn't attacked the fiend yet?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 644150, member: 3051"] Someone posted a beautiful explanation one time on this board, which I'll paraphrase. It came up in a discussion about whether Detect Evil would detect people of evil alignment. There are two kinds of evil: "evil", and "Evil". "evil" means he chose an evil alignment, does some evil things, etc., but there's nothing inherently nasty about him. He can be redeemed. "Evil" means you're inherently evil (Devil/Demon). You're tainted, no matter what you do, and you will always be drawn to the dark side. This is usually reserved for outsiders, or any race that has "Always Evil" as the alignment. (First person to mention a certain drow gets smacked) The point of this was, a normal human can be evil, not Evil. A Detect Evil spell shouldn't spot him, no matter what his alignment is, unless he is actively performing an evil action at the time. Unfortunately the rules don't differentiate like this. Now, how does this apply to the original post? If the guy was just a normal human with evil tendencies, the Paladin MIGHT tolerate grouping with him for a common goal, as long as he is actively trying to do something good. But, the moment you mentioned half-Fiend, he switched into that pure Evil group. "Cleric of evil deity" would have crossed the line in its own right. In the most extreme deity's cases, he is now a thing to be Smited on sight. You can argue that your deity doesn't have such a restrictive code of conduct, so maybe you could excuse letting him live. But helping him gain power by restoring a destroyed kingdom? And, to top it off, not only is he not repentant about his evil, he wants to convert the rest of the party? Kingmatzomat: Helping a cleric of an evil deity gain power is, in itself, an "evil end" IMO, since by extension you're helping the evil deity gain power. What amazes me is, there's a second Paladin in the party, of an even more extreme deity, and HE hasn't attacked the fiend yet? [/QUOTE]
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