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<blockquote data-quote="Conaill" data-source="post: 2898128" data-attributes="member: 1264">That's not really wat I was asking for, though...Regardless of which standard PC class you start with, a self-imposed restriction not to kill anyone will still saddle you with a huge handicap, compared to your standard D&amp;D &quot;kill 'em and take their loot&quot; character. Sure, it might be easier to implement such a character as a spellcaster, but you will still pay a significant price (spellcaster without any spells that could do lethal damage?) Monk is better, since you can actually so nonlethal damage without any penalty using unarmed attacks. You'd still have to suck up the -4 to attack with any of the monk weapons though. You also give up the benefit of the Quivering Palm class feature.However, things like a Merciful weapon, or a Vow of XYZ can make this type of character much more viable, as they allow you to trade the non-killing restriction for some additional benefits.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Conaill, post: 2898128, member: 1264"] That's not really wat I was asking for, though... Regardless of which standard PC class you start with, a self-imposed restriction not to kill anyone will still saddle you with a huge handicap, compared to your standard D&D "kill 'em and take their loot" character. Sure, it might be easier to implement such a character as a spellcaster, but you will still pay a significant price (spellcaster without any spells that could do lethal damage?) Monk is better, since you can actually so nonlethal damage without any penalty using unarmed attacks. You'd still have to suck up the -4 to attack with any of the monk weapons though. You also give up the benefit of the Quivering Palm class feature. However, things like a Merciful weapon, or a Vow of XYZ can make this type of character much more viable, as they allow you to trade the non-killing restriction for some additional benefits. [/QUOTE]

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