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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2959060" data-attributes="member: 29014">Keep in mind that you haven't factored items into the mix.&nbsp; I believe the Duelist looks even better with items to buff him up.&nbsp; Also, the Duelist isn't exactly the most wonderful PrC in the world either.Here's a Swashbuckler class I made up (it's supposed to be balanced with gestalt classes, so I know it's too strong, but it gives an idea of an interesting Swashbuckler).&nbsp; Maybe if it lost one step of HD, 2 SP per level, one of the good saves, and all the bonus feats it could be balanced, but I'm unsure of that.[SBLOCK=Swash]BAB&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fort&nbsp; &nbsp; Ref&nbsp; &nbsp; Will&nbsp; &nbsp; Special&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat, Canny Defense+2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat, Evasion+3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Precise Strike +1d6, Insightful Strike+4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Uncanny Dodge+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; PS +2d6+8/+3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Improved Uncanny Dodge+10/+5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat, Improved Evasion+11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; PS +3d6+12/+7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+13/+8/+3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +8&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Defensive Roll, Acrobatic Skill Mastery+14/+9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+15/+10/+5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; PS +4d6 +16/+11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+17/+12/+7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Opportunist+18/+13/+8/+3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat+19/+14/+9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; PS +5d6 +20/+15/+10/+5&nbsp; &nbsp; +12&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +12&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bonus Feat, Inimical CriticalHit Dice: d10Skills: 6+Int modifier, use the Fighter and Rogue skill lists[/SBLOCK]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2959060, member: 29014"] Keep in mind that you haven't factored items into the mix. I believe the Duelist looks even better with items to buff him up. Also, the Duelist isn't exactly the most wonderful PrC in the world either. Here's a Swashbuckler class I made up (it's supposed to be balanced with gestalt classes, so I know it's too strong, but it gives an idea of an interesting Swashbuckler). Maybe if it lost one step of HD, 2 SP per level, one of the good saves, and all the bonus feats it could be balanced, but I'm unsure of that. [SBLOCK=Swash]BAB Fort Ref Will Special +1 +2 +2 +0 Bonus Feat, Canny Defense +2 +3 +3 +0 Bonus Feat, Evasion +3 +3 +3 +1 Precise Strike +1d6, Insightful Strike +4 +4 +4 +1 Bonus Feat +5 +4 +4 +1 Uncanny Dodge +6/+1 +5 +5 +2 Bonus Feat +7/+2 +5 +5 +2 PS +2d6 +8/+3 +6 +6 +2 Bonus Feat +9/+4 +6 +6 +3 Improved Uncanny Dodge +10/+5 +7 +7 +3 Bonus Feat, Improved Evasion +11/+6/+1 +7 +7 +3 PS +3d6 +12/+7/+2 +8 +8 +4 Bonus Feat +13/+8/+3 +8 +8 +4 Defensive Roll, Acrobatic Skill Mastery +14/+9/+4 +9 +9 +4 Bonus Feat +15/+10/+5 +9 +9 +5 PS +4d6 +16/+11/+6/+1 +10 +10 +5 Bonus Feat +17/+12/+7/+2 +10 +10 +5 Opportunist +18/+13/+8/+3 +11 +11 +6 Bonus Feat +19/+14/+9/+4 +11 +11 +6 PS +5d6 +20/+15/+10/+5 +12 +12 +6 Bonus Feat, Inimical Critical Hit Dice: d10 Skills: 6+Int modifier, use the Fighter and Rogue skill lists[/SBLOCK] [/QUOTE]

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