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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 2431129" data-attributes="member: 8461">Shhhhhhut up.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> That's a matter of opinion. The gods of Harbinger House did cause something of a stir before being forced out, and the dead god in Dead Gods was causing something of a panic in the city.All that aside, the point is that you can't say that DVD killed a sacred cow - the way to gods in Sigil was getting more and more open all the time. It just followed the natural progression.If you think the Lady's moving from doing nothing to &quot;almost nothing&quot; ruins PS, then we're of two very different minds (as though that wasn't obvious). Besides, are you forgetting that at the end of Faction War, Duke Darkwood hears the voice of the Lady in his mind, telling him about his folly?I may be misremembering, but I don't recall DVD as causing nearly as much destruction as Faction War. While DVD may have caused a few godquakes, it was mostly Vecna going to the Armory and setting up kip while he waited for Sigil to fall apart. Faction War really was an out-and-out war in the city, so it's quite natural for the destruction there to be more widespread. Again, I tout that the lack of a mention in the Planar Handbook is meaningless...you can't prove a negative.Nebulous nothing. It says they become alternate Primes, and lo, 3E has alternate Primes. Likewise, it does say that one Inner Plane runs aground on the Prime, and twelve Inner Planes are gone..maybe that's what happened to one (it's certainly possible)?The point being, not all of the end of DVD can be discarded.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 2431129, member: 8461"] Shhhhhhut up. ;) That's a matter of opinion. The gods of Harbinger House did cause something of a stir before being forced out, and the dead god in [I]Dead Gods[/I] was causing something of a panic in the city. All that aside, the point is that you can't say that DVD killed a sacred cow - the way to gods in Sigil was getting more and more open all the time. It just followed the natural progression. If you think the Lady's moving from doing nothing to "almost nothing" ruins PS, then we're of two very different minds (as though that wasn't obvious). Besides, are you forgetting that at the end of [I]Faction War[/I], Duke Darkwood hears the voice of the Lady in his mind, telling him about his folly? I may be misremembering, but I don't recall DVD as causing nearly as much destruction as [I]Faction War[/I]. While DVD may have caused a few godquakes, it was mostly Vecna going to the Armory and setting up kip while he waited for Sigil to fall apart. [I]Faction War[/I] really was an out-and-out war in the city, so it's quite natural for the destruction there to be more widespread. Again, I tout that the lack of a mention in the [I]Planar Handbook[/I] is meaningless...you can't prove a negative. Nebulous nothing. It says they become alternate Primes, and lo, 3E has alternate Primes. Likewise, it does say that one Inner Plane runs aground on the Prime, and twelve Inner Planes are gone..maybe that's what happened to one (it's certainly possible)? The point being, not all of the end of DVD can be discarded. [/QUOTE]

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