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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PsicrystalAffinity" data-source="post: 3175807" data-attributes="member: 30270">I can sympathise with that.   I'm a game now that well isn't the best I've been in.  I'll just relate my experiences witht hat game, and then tell you that the game your in sucks, but what can you do?Ok so me and the my group of gamers parted company.  Recently we got back together, and decided to start off again were we left off.  I remembered the goods times we had togther, it was a lot of fun.  Plus it would be a trip down memory lane.  well they're still the same old players as they were many years ago.  I however have evolved a bit since we last met.  I'm still a powergamer, got better at it with experience.  I perfer the story's to make sence.  And nothing pleases me more then an organic campaign.  Doom style wonder the maze and kill stuff bores me.  I want to know why the BBEG is being a BBEG. I want to know what the purpase of the dungeon is, other then a maze with monsters in it.  It's lay out shoudl sujest that.  I also absolutely love it when the NPCs have different personalities, and quirks, and what not.But enough about me.  The group I'm with doesn't care about that sort of stuff.  They just want to kick in the door, and smash face.  I DMed for a few of them.  they said they really liked this RP stuff.  I thought i was toning it down for their style.  They like to think their powergamers, and can make really bad, really nasty characters.  one of them can, when he takes the time.  The other one wouldn't be so bad at it, except he forgets the little things, like search for his rogues, and spot for his rangers, and the like.  And the third is well he's a scrub.  He can make one architype decently.  Another ok, and anything else he is hopelessly lost on.  yet everytime someone just something contary to what he thinks is best, he responds with, "why would anyone do that?"  To whitch he gets, "X, Y and Z.  Oh and it also allows this combo, and helps out here.  Plus it synergises with C."  And then his usual responce is,"But its not about making the most powerfull everything all the time."  You'd i was sujjesting pun-pun or something.  Most of the time it sujjesting a level of barbarian for the rage instead of a third level of fighter.  Or i think my favourite, taking a third level of rogue, or multiclassing into a spell arcane spell caster for fun spells, instead of multiclassing into monk for better melee out put.  The rogue had a strength of 8, and con of like 10.  the last thing i'll say about the players min/maxing skills, is that he is currently on character number 3 or 4 in my camgain.  I have yet to see any of his characters, ever purchase, or arquire a ranged weapon, of any kind, ever.  He says that "I am a ranged weapon." becuase his speed is usually higher then 30ft/round.So the game were curently playing is an epic one.  We're all 21st level, and there is six of us.  We had to patch some holes due to players moving away, not wanting to play anymore.Player A--MyselfPlayer B -- My wifePlayer C my sister in lawPlayer D-- friend of player E, real push over.  Will do, go along with whatever Player E wants.  haven't seen him stand up for himself yet.Player E -- the scrub descrided earilierPlayer F-- the DM.  Another real passive person.  Good guy at heart.So the campaign begins, and in our first encounter, we see an powerful FR NPC get pasted by an CR 50 aspect of Lolth.  We are told to run, and well we do so.  We then go get Player E, and set out to defend our city from the Drow attack.  We run into some more drow, and past them easily.   Then the CR 50 shows up.  we run again.  A few comune spells, later we learn that we need artifact X, currently held by a demon prince in hell.  Kinda confusing, becuase I was under the impression that demons lived in the Abiss, and that Hell had Devils.  Normally wouldn't be a problem, except Demons are CE, and Devils are LE.  I can't see why LE devils would follow a CE demon.  But I'm not the DM, so whatever.  Thats were the session ends.  Nor does my +20 in knowledge the planes gain me any info on the subject.Next session.  Well since we're going to hell, i figure that we aught to research it a bit.  I say, hey lets all go to the libary, and get ourselves some fore knowledge about what we're likely to run into.  Nope party doesn't want to do that.  Ok whatever i set out with one other party memeber.  My wife.  On the way we are surprised by some more drow.  A couple of blasts later they are dispatched.  The entire combat lasted all of 1 round, however the entire time, Player E kept asking why we weren't running back to get his character.  Like we didn't know that we were likely to run into the drow that invaded the city before we set out.   Becides the point, that the fight was over in one round, we still needed his character to be there for some reason.We make it to the libary.  It is under attack by 10 drow this time.  the previouse encounter had 4-6.  Ok surpise round,I take down 6 of them.  Then I decide to go a littleeasier on my resources and summon a monolith to deal with the remander.  Then the CR 50 shows up, again, and chases us of.Get back with the party, and attempt to plane shift to hell.  Doesn't work.  try again doesn't work.  Try talking to a high level NPC, doesn't work, doesn't help.  Try mirical, fails.  Commun, fails, commun specifying that we walk to talk with a representitive not the diety itself.  We learn the that all the gods took a nap, and sealed the roads to hell. We need Artifact X, that is in Sigil.  Session ends.XP awarded.  Apartly the rest of the party gets XP for the two encounters, that only myself, and PLayer B were involved in.  Something about healing spells, at the end of the day.  I could understand that they would get XP if they were even there, but they weren't.  Whatever, his game.  Two session still no further then session one.Session 3.  We try and plane shift to Sigil.  Obviousle y fails.  We end up in the back door to the matrix.  Spend an hour wandering around there.  Then, this old man shows up out of nowere.  Says he looking for a room with a million gold pieces.  the next door player E tries is it.  Old agrees to show us were sigil is.  i start looting.  Player E feels this is immorla or some <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.  20 minutes, we decide not to take a single GP from the million.  Should be noted here that i was the only one who saved gold from our starting whealth, and had spent 26,000gp for the benefit of the party.  (The failed mirical, our cleric, DMPC, didn't feel like casting it.)  whatever.  we make it Sigil, and can't find anything.  the rest of the session is Player E trying to get laid by our guide Kialy.  And then investigating who stole the Artifact we came for.  everything anyone except Player E tried failed.  He on the other hand could do no wrong.  Meh, at least i got some home work done.  Turns out artifact Y is on the material plane in the under dark, held by the Drow.  And thus the session ended again.end of session three, again we are back were we started, with how to deal with a CR 50.  Witch by the way, we haven't been given any XP for encountering, numerouse times.  Player E is the odviouse golden boy, and naturally leads the party around.  As well nothing anyone else can do will work.  I feel railroaded, witch normally isn't quiet so bad, but I have no clue what the DM wants me to do.  As a character I'd have to question what i'm doing with, and orc, that could turn pysco pathic when he stubbs his toe.  (FB, DMPCs cohort.)  An enept cleric asassin.  A monk that is perfect in everyway, and a cleric that has all the personality of a fence post (The DMPC).  I also have a druid that is trying, but like me can't seem to come up with the brilliant planes that the monk does.  And a rogue, that doesn't seem to be there.  (her player seems really, really bored)The rules are applied inconsistantly, and wrong a lot of the times.  Spot check as a standard action, but forgotten when it's the monks turn to attack.  A knowledge check of 40 gets me only the basic tenants of the church of Sune.  The call made by Player E, and then sapported by the DM.  Yet it isn't metagaming when Player E knows something.  despite having no ranks in any knowledge skills.   Yaa it sucks, but what can you do.  I don't want to leave the group, becuase it would cuase too much trouble.  I don't want to DM for them becuase it's too much of a chore.  I just want to go back to playing poker.  I just don't have the heart to tell them i can't play D&D with them, becuase I find it boring, confortational, inconsistant, railroaded, and am sick of trying to explain how the rules actually work.  Even if i tried, they would just take it personally, and get offended.  No game is worth that.  I think i'll just have to start getting home work.But yaa I totally understand were your coming from.  The only thing we can do, is grit our teeth.  Role-play like we're having fun.  And then come here to vent.It sucks, but what can you do?</blockquote>

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