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<blockquote data-quote="ZenFox42" data-source="post: 6210472" data-attributes="member: 6746758"><p>Starfox -</p><p></p><p>Ok, I can see now from your questions that much of the summary is "logical conclusions from the rules" (LCFTR?). Or is that just RAI? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>(Oh bother, I'm having problems getting the formatted quotes working)</p><p></p><p><u> Starfox said : "<em>Raw doesn't say anything about the situation when you're not moving.</em>" (and this also addresses your very last question)</u></p><p>1. Only Total C/C means that others can't see you. Thus "Regular" C/C means that others can at least see some part of you.</p><p>2. Stealth (RAW) : "Creatures that fail to beat your Stealth check are not aware of you."</p><p>So if you've used Stealth while moving to get to C/C (so you end your round "in Stealth"), if you're in Regular C/C that means parts of you are visible to others. I would give everyone with line-of-sight to you a S/P check because you're "in Stealth", and if you win they don't notice you, but if they win they can target you with weapon or magical attacks (subject to the restrictions of your C/C).</p><p></p><p><u>Starfox said : "<em>Does someone walking into an ambush without spending actions to look around get a Perception roll at all?</em>"</u></p><p>1. Stealth (RAW) : "Your Stealth check is opposed by the Perception check of anyone who <u><strong>might</strong></u> notice you."</p><p>2. Perception (RAW) : "Most Perception checks are reactive, made in response to observable stimulus."</p><p>So unless the ambushers are in <u>Total</u> C/C, there's a chance that you might notice them, so yes you get a Perception check (technically your DM should roll for you, so as to not give anything away).</p><p></p><p><u> Starfox said : "<em>I find this ambiguous, especially in regards to attacks.</em>"</u></p><p>The four possible conditions that you were referring to (Regular vs. Total C/C, observed vs. not) are for moving with Stealth <u>only</u>, attacks do not apply. All your questions following do not apply. The next bullet in the summary covers attacking : you always lose Stealth after your first attack. At that point, go back to the section in the summary about what you have to do to be able to use Stealth again.</p><p></p><p>Regarding those 4 possible conditions : yes, "observed" means you lost the S/P check while you were moving, and "next action" means the next time your initiative comes up.</p><p></p><p>It seems that maybe the formatting of your last quote regarding DEX and AC, and Sneak Attack damage, went weird. Did you have a question regarding that?</p><p></p><p>Hope this clarifies things somewhat! Cheers!</p><p></p><p>P.S. - yeah, it's a fox thing, others wouldn't understand. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZenFox42, post: 6210472, member: 6746758"] Starfox - Ok, I can see now from your questions that much of the summary is "logical conclusions from the rules" (LCFTR?). Or is that just RAI? :) (Oh bother, I'm having problems getting the formatted quotes working) [U] Starfox said : "[I]Raw doesn't say anything about the situation when you're not moving.[/I]" (and this also addresses your very last question)[/U] 1. Only Total C/C means that others can't see you. Thus "Regular" C/C means that others can at least see some part of you. 2. Stealth (RAW) : "Creatures that fail to beat your Stealth check are not aware of you." So if you've used Stealth while moving to get to C/C (so you end your round "in Stealth"), if you're in Regular C/C that means parts of you are visible to others. I would give everyone with line-of-sight to you a S/P check because you're "in Stealth", and if you win they don't notice you, but if they win they can target you with weapon or magical attacks (subject to the restrictions of your C/C). [U]Starfox said : "[I]Does someone walking into an ambush without spending actions to look around get a Perception roll at all?[/I]"[/U] 1. Stealth (RAW) : "Your Stealth check is opposed by the Perception check of anyone who [U][B]might[/B][/U] notice you." 2. Perception (RAW) : "Most Perception checks are reactive, made in response to observable stimulus." So unless the ambushers are in [U]Total[/U] C/C, there's a chance that you might notice them, so yes you get a Perception check (technically your DM should roll for you, so as to not give anything away). [U] Starfox said : "[I]I find this ambiguous, especially in regards to attacks.[/I]"[/U] The four possible conditions that you were referring to (Regular vs. Total C/C, observed vs. not) are for moving with Stealth [U]only[/U], attacks do not apply. All your questions following do not apply. The next bullet in the summary covers attacking : you always lose Stealth after your first attack. At that point, go back to the section in the summary about what you have to do to be able to use Stealth again. Regarding those 4 possible conditions : yes, "observed" means you lost the S/P check while you were moving, and "next action" means the next time your initiative comes up. It seems that maybe the formatting of your last quote regarding DEX and AC, and Sneak Attack damage, went weird. Did you have a question regarding that? Hope this clarifies things somewhat! Cheers! P.S. - yeah, it's a fox thing, others wouldn't understand. :) [/QUOTE]
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