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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6052531" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p style="margin-left: 20px"> So, how did the brilliant painter Waterhouse differentiate the two nymphs? Well, simple. He put the dryad in a tree! Yep, still a beautiful, semi-nude young woman, but this time she's been integrated into a tree.</p> <p style="text-align: center"> -snip<em> Hamadryad by John William Waterhouse-</em> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> Is it that simple? Is a nymph just a beautiful young woman depicted in different ways to designate the type of nymph she is?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Yes. Yes, Jon. It is, in fact, that simple.<p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Give her a tail and she's a mermaid or oceanid, put her in a tree and she's a dryad, drop her in a stream and she's a naiad. Is it truly that simple? Seriously?? </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Well, not the mermaid part, but other than that...Yes. Yes, Jon. Seriously.<p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Well, if any of the feedback about the contemporary <strong>D&D</strong> dryad is to be considered,</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>And why wouldn't it be?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">you might think that folks in the <strong>D&D</strong> realm were more comfortable with the classic concept of the dryad than they were with the re-envisioning of the dryad as a monstrous creature as depicted by William O'Connor. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Well, I can't speak for all folks in the D&D realm, but for myself....YES! Most definitely! The "monstrous dryad" was an AWFUL and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY departure from a pretty well known and established bit of real world mythology AND D&D lore. </p><p></p><p>Yet another case of "ain't broke, don't [think you can] fix it!" Making work/a problem where there isn't any...drives me nuts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My thoughts exactly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. Always have been.</p><p></p><p>And just as an fyi, 1e "nymphs" were basically defaulted as naiads and oceanids...seemingly always supposed to be found around beautiful natural places with water.</p><p></p><p>Nereids were differentiated in 1e also (though not until MM2), where they are separated from "nymphs" by making them Elemental Water creatures (not "fey"/faerie or sylvan, as it was once called). There is, again, no differentiation, however, between oceans, rivers, mountain springs, etc...just naturally beautiful places with water.</p><p></p><p>They also had a scarf that had something to do with controlling them or containing their soul or something. And there was no "seeing them naked kills you" thing...they had poisonous spit <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> ANYwho...</p><p></p><p>Yeah, this article is a non-starter.</p><p></p><p>Pretty elfish women in a tree. Pretty elfish women around water. No "design challenges" needed here or cause for any "problem." </p><p></p><p>Separating goblins v. hobgoblins v. orcs, telling devils from demons (a bit unnecessary, but could be useful), heck the "look" of High elves from Drow elves. Have fun.</p><p></p><p>Pretty elfin women in trees v. pretty elfin women around water? Ought not be a source of concern.</p><p></p><p>--SD</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6052531, member: 92511"] [INDENT] So, how did the brilliant painter Waterhouse differentiate the two nymphs? Well, simple. He put the dryad in a tree! Yep, still a beautiful, semi-nude young woman, but this time she's been integrated into a tree.[/INDENT][CENTER] -snip[I] Hamadryad by John William Waterhouse-[/I] [/CENTER] [INDENT] Is it that simple? Is a nymph just a beautiful young woman depicted in different ways to designate the type of nymph she is? [/INDENT]Yes. Yes, Jon. It is, in fact, that simple.[INDENT] Give her a tail and she's a mermaid or oceanid, put her in a tree and she's a dryad, drop her in a stream and she's a naiad. Is it truly that simple? Seriously?? [/INDENT]Well, not the mermaid part, but other than that...Yes. Yes, Jon. Seriously.[INDENT] Well, if any of the feedback about the contemporary [B]D&D[/B] dryad is to be considered, [/INDENT] And why wouldn't it be? [INDENT] you might think that folks in the [B]D&D[/B] realm were more comfortable with the classic concept of the dryad than they were with the re-envisioning of the dryad as a monstrous creature as depicted by William O'Connor. [/INDENT]Well, I can't speak for all folks in the D&D realm, but for myself....YES! Most definitely! The "monstrous dryad" was an AWFUL and COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY departure from a pretty well known and established bit of real world mythology AND D&D lore. Yet another case of "ain't broke, don't [think you can] fix it!" Making work/a problem where there isn't any...drives me nuts. My thoughts exactly. Yup. Always have been. And just as an fyi, 1e "nymphs" were basically defaulted as naiads and oceanids...seemingly always supposed to be found around beautiful natural places with water. Nereids were differentiated in 1e also (though not until MM2), where they are separated from "nymphs" by making them Elemental Water creatures (not "fey"/faerie or sylvan, as it was once called). There is, again, no differentiation, however, between oceans, rivers, mountain springs, etc...just naturally beautiful places with water. They also had a scarf that had something to do with controlling them or containing their soul or something. And there was no "seeing them naked kills you" thing...they had poisonous spit :erm: ANYwho... Yeah, this article is a non-starter. Pretty elfish women in a tree. Pretty elfish women around water. No "design challenges" needed here or cause for any "problem." Separating goblins v. hobgoblins v. orcs, telling devils from demons (a bit unnecessary, but could be useful), heck the "look" of High elves from Drow elves. Have fun. Pretty elfin women in trees v. pretty elfin women around water? Ought not be a source of concern. --SD [/QUOTE]
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