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<blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7277202" data-attributes="member: 28301"><p>The defenders of arrays and point buy basically claim the following is true</p><p></p><p>1. Rolling breaks the game</p><p>2. Rolling create overwhelming PC</p><p>3. Rolling destroys play balance</p><p>4. Rolling creates too much variety </p><p>5. You can’t trust other players, they always cheat if you let them roll</p><p>6. Rolling is inherently random you could get a weak PC.</p><p>7. Rolling could make your PC worse then someone else’s which </p><p>8. Would force your PC into a subservient role.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at those arguments, some are contradictory, some are just false. Rolling for stats doesn’t break the game or anything like that, it doesn’t destroy play balance. I guess it’s possible if you rolled 3-4 18s, but the game will balance that out as you go up since your scope is capped anyway. Why would anyone ever play with someone you think would cheat on die rolls is beyond me. Variety is good for the game, if you want to have fun try a PC with low ability score and play it to the hilt. Your PC can never be subservient unless you let them be, that’s a player fail. Your PC isn’t weaker than someone else’s because they have a starting score of 18 in their main while you have a 15 or 16. </p><p></p><p>The roll for stats people are mostly like me, old players with years of experience that argue</p><p></p><p>1. Rolling is they way we have done it for years</p><p>2. It’s increases variety and depth.</p><p>3. It’s never destroyed or damaged any game we have ever seen or heard of.</p><p>4. We don’t play with players that we think would cheat on the PC creation rolls.</p><p></p><p>Of course all of these are subjective arguments, although I could argue mathematically that if you start out at +1 for your ability modifier compares to other players it’s not breaking the game in any way, you get that extra hit or save or ability check success once in every 20 rolls on the average. Tony Vargas has been around for as long as I have (37 years at the tables) ask him or any other long time player.</p><p></p><p>The only time I have seen a player get totally screwed by random numbers in PC generation was in the Traveler game where you could literally get a result that your PC aged out and died before the game even started. Otherwise it’s a wash.</p><p></p><p>Everyone can choose anyway they want to generate their stats, the are all basically the same. However the arguments I see and hear against rolling are just not true or way off base, and the proponents of those arguments just twist themselves into knots trying to “prove” them. I think that most of these arguments are based in the fear that some other player will get over on them, have a “better” PC due to RNG. </p><p></p><p>If you roll in front of everyone then it becomes a group building thing that is enjoyable. Try it once.</p><p></p><p>Sent from my iPhone using EN World</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smbakeresq, post: 7277202, member: 28301"] The defenders of arrays and point buy basically claim the following is true 1. Rolling breaks the game 2. Rolling create overwhelming PC 3. Rolling destroys play balance 4. Rolling creates too much variety 5. You can’t trust other players, they always cheat if you let them roll 6. Rolling is inherently random you could get a weak PC. 7. Rolling could make your PC worse then someone else’s which 8. Would force your PC into a subservient role. Look at those arguments, some are contradictory, some are just false. Rolling for stats doesn’t break the game or anything like that, it doesn’t destroy play balance. I guess it’s possible if you rolled 3-4 18s, but the game will balance that out as you go up since your scope is capped anyway. Why would anyone ever play with someone you think would cheat on die rolls is beyond me. Variety is good for the game, if you want to have fun try a PC with low ability score and play it to the hilt. Your PC can never be subservient unless you let them be, that’s a player fail. Your PC isn’t weaker than someone else’s because they have a starting score of 18 in their main while you have a 15 or 16. The roll for stats people are mostly like me, old players with years of experience that argue 1. Rolling is they way we have done it for years 2. It’s increases variety and depth. 3. It’s never destroyed or damaged any game we have ever seen or heard of. 4. We don’t play with players that we think would cheat on the PC creation rolls. Of course all of these are subjective arguments, although I could argue mathematically that if you start out at +1 for your ability modifier compares to other players it’s not breaking the game in any way, you get that extra hit or save or ability check success once in every 20 rolls on the average. Tony Vargas has been around for as long as I have (37 years at the tables) ask him or any other long time player. The only time I have seen a player get totally screwed by random numbers in PC generation was in the Traveler game where you could literally get a result that your PC aged out and died before the game even started. Otherwise it’s a wash. Everyone can choose anyway they want to generate their stats, the are all basically the same. However the arguments I see and hear against rolling are just not true or way off base, and the proponents of those arguments just twist themselves into knots trying to “prove” them. I think that most of these arguments are based in the fear that some other player will get over on them, have a “better” PC due to RNG. If you roll in front of everyone then it becomes a group building thing that is enjoyable. Try it once. Sent from my iPhone using EN World [/QUOTE]
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