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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8190135" data-attributes="member: 29398">I don't remember seeing anything in the 4e rules regarding having to aim a fireball or lightning bolt; though if this came in after the initial round of DMG-PH-MM releases I'd have missed it as those were the only 4e rulebooks I bought.That's 5e.&nbsp; There's any number of spells in 1e - which is what the OP was asking about - where there is no save. (Slow, I'm looking right at you here)My own beef is that by RAW a caster can always exactly position a fireball (for example) such as to hit the enemy but not the allies; this is mitigated in 1e by fireballs expanding to fill a volume and associated possible misjudgments of available space, but even that goes away in 3e and later.&nbsp; But then you go on to say......this; and now you're on to it!&nbsp; There should be an aiming roll just like any other ranged attack. (and note they can also miss a bit left, right, up or down; rather than just long or short)There IMO should also be a small risk (1/d20 maybe, if under duress) of missing everything e.g. your lightning bolt sails over everyone's heads, or even of fumbling with an aimed spell (best spell fumble ever: caster wearing a fireproof cloak casts fireball, fumbles, fireball goes off inside cloak...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8190135, member: 29398"] I don't remember seeing anything in the 4e rules regarding having to aim a fireball or lightning bolt; though if this came in after the initial round of DMG-PH-MM releases I'd have missed it as those were the only 4e rulebooks I bought. That's 5e. There's any number of spells in 1e - which is what the OP was asking about - where there is no save. ([I]Slow[/I], I'm looking right at you here) My own beef is that by RAW a caster can always exactly position a fireball (for example) such as to hit the enemy but not the allies; this is mitigated in 1e by fireballs expanding to fill a volume and associated possible misjudgments of available space, but even that goes away in 3e and later. But then you go on to say... ...this; and now you're on to it! There should be an aiming roll just like any other ranged attack. (and note they can also miss a bit left, right, up or down; rather than just long or short) There IMO should also be a small risk (1/d20 maybe, if under duress) of missing everything e.g. your lightning bolt sails over everyone's heads, or even of fumbling with an aimed spell (best spell fumble ever: caster wearing a fireproof cloak casts fireball, fumbles, fireball goes off inside cloak...) [/QUOTE]

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