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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8191105" data-attributes="member: 6987520">You don't think that trap is hostile to the caster? You don't think picking someone's pocket will make them hostile if you get caught?My phrasing was general. In short, most spells require a roll to affect someone who don't want to be affected in the form of an spell attack roll or a saving throw against it. They don't also make a roll to successfully cast the spell--that would be two rolls to affect something.Just like a rogue doesn't make two rolls to disarm a trap (sure, maybe one to find it, maybe another to figure it out (if you use that, most tables don't IME...)). You don't make two rolls to pick a pocket, and so on. A fighter doesn't make two rolls to attack someone with a sword.Having a caster make a successful check to cast the spell would be like making a fighter make a check to determine if he holding the proper end of the sword to attack someone with the pointy end. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In 5E, you make one roll to determine the success (or progression) in one task. Hopefully that clear up the point I was making. If not, oh well. shrug</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8191105, member: 6987520"] You don't think that trap is hostile to the caster? You don't think picking someone's pocket will make them hostile if you get caught? My phrasing was [I]general[/I]. In short, most spells require a roll to affect someone who don't want to be affected in the form of an spell attack roll or a saving throw against it. They don't also make a roll to successfully cast the spell--that would be two rolls to affect something. Just like a rogue doesn't make two rolls to disarm a trap (sure, maybe one to find it, [I]maybe[/I] another to figure it out (if you use that, most tables don't IME...)). You don't make two rolls to pick a pocket, and so on. A fighter doesn't make two rolls to attack someone with a sword. Having a caster make a successful check to [I]cast[/I] the spell would be like making a fighter make a check to determine if he holding the proper end of the sword to attack someone with the pointy end. ;) In 5E, you make one roll to determine the success (or progression) in one task. Hopefully that clear up the point I was making. If not, oh well. [I]shrug[/I] [/QUOTE]

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