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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8191497" data-attributes="member: 18">If so, that's an nonsensical position because all editions of D&amp;D, whether it's OD&amp;D, 1E, or 5E or even Pathfinder &quot;elide certain things in the name of gameplay functionality and balance&quot;. There are no exceptions whatsoever. D&amp;D is highly abstracted game full of elisions.There's nothing specific to 4E about that, and there'd be no reason to bring up 4E were that so. The claim referred directly to 4E, and I'm not sure your mind-reading of [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is correct, because I don't think he'd refer to 4E re: that.Re: LFQW, forcing casters to roll to not cast won't resolve LFQW. Especially not if you can situationally avoid rolling somehow (or minimize risk), which you'd definitely be able to in some versions of rules. You solve LFQW but not letting casters get such ridiculously powerful spells as they go up levels. If spells stopped at level like, level 3 or 4 spells, and you just got more of them, then I don't think LFQW would be a thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8191497, member: 18"] If so, that's an nonsensical position because all editions of D&D, whether it's OD&D, 1E, or 5E or even Pathfinder "elide certain things in the name of gameplay functionality and balance". There are no exceptions whatsoever. D&D is highly abstracted game full of elisions. There's nothing specific to 4E about that, and there'd be no reason to bring up 4E were that so. The claim referred directly to 4E, and I'm not sure your mind-reading of [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is correct, because I don't think he'd refer to 4E re: that. Re: LFQW, forcing casters to roll to not cast won't resolve LFQW. Especially not if you can situationally avoid rolling somehow (or minimize risk), which you'd definitely be able to in some versions of rules. You solve LFQW but not letting casters get such ridiculously powerful spells as they go up levels. If spells stopped at level like, level 3 or 4 spells, and you just got more of them, then I don't think LFQW would be a thing. [/QUOTE]

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