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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8191624" data-attributes="member: 29398">I've yet to play in or DM a game where anything higher than 5th-level spells were routinely PC-available other than on scrolls (rare); the game I play in is just now dipping its toe into 6th-level spell availability but only a few PCs have hit 12th level so they're not widespread yet.Perhaps.&nbsp; IME it's more common that the caster spends multiple rounds NOT trying to cast and instead doing something else, as casting would be too risky.In no-duress situations I very rarely if ever make them roll.Heh - I've already gone through the 1e spells (plus a bunch added since) from top to bottom and re-done the lot.&nbsp; Very tedious.&nbsp; But, worthwhile; and work I only really had to do once which will last me for as long as I run this system (i.e. probably forever).In 1e interrupting a Vancian spell is pretty easy.&nbsp; I agree that without an interruption casting is automatically successful, but I'm fine with that.&nbsp; What I'm not fine with is that in so many cases auto-success on the casting leads to auto-success* on the effects, particularly in combat and-or for AoE spells.Well, not quite.[USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is, I think, targeting auto-success in casting as being the issue; I'm instead more targeting auto-success* in the effects that casting has.* - where success is defined as at least forcing a save from the maximum amount of potentially-affected targets.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8191624, member: 29398"] I've yet to play in or DM a game where anything higher than 5th-level spells were routinely PC-available other than on scrolls (rare); the game I play in is just now dipping its toe into 6th-level spell availability but only a few PCs have hit 12th level so they're not widespread yet. Perhaps. IME it's more common that the caster spends multiple rounds NOT trying to cast and instead doing something else, as casting would be too risky. In no-duress situations I very rarely if ever make them roll. Heh - I've already gone through the 1e spells (plus a bunch added since) from top to bottom and re-done the lot. Very tedious. But, worthwhile; and work I only really had to do once which will last me for as long as I run this system (i.e. probably forever). In 1e interrupting a Vancian spell is pretty easy. I agree that without an interruption casting is automatically successful, but I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is that in so many cases auto-success on the casting leads to auto-success* on the effects, particularly in combat and-or for AoE spells. Well, not quite. [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] is, I think, targeting auto-success in casting as being the issue; I'm instead more targeting auto-success* in [I]the effects that casting has[/I]. * - where success is defined as at least forcing a save from the maximum amount of potentially-affected targets. [/QUOTE]

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