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<blockquote data-quote="Khur" data-source="post: 506507" data-attributes="member: 5583"><p><strong>Off-topic ...</strong></p><p></p><p>smetzger, </p><p></p><p>This balance issue of your feat really intrigues me. How do you come by the balance factors for your feat? How do you know it's balanced? Balanced by whose authority?</p><p></p><p>I'm not questioning your integrity by the way, I'm just curious as to what your methods are. If you'd rather share them in a non-public forum, feel free to email me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Back on topic:</p><p></p><p>I like what everyone's saying ... it's a lively topic. It's refreshing to hear so many intelligent opinions and creative solutions. </p><p></p><p>The "line of sight" thing is certainly relevant, but just because you can see the subject of the spell, doesn't mean he can see you. Further, what if the curtain can be seen through? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Whether a subject of charm person would remember any uncharacteristic actions he or she took is beyond question. Of course a victim would remember such behavior. </p><p></p><p>The real question is, ultimately, what if you (with great care and sensitivity) didn't ask for uncharacteristic behavior as the caster of charm? What if you just nudged your new friend along certain lines of thinking that were more beneficial for you? What if you supplemented the charm by treating the subject well, to boot? Would the subject even know he or she had been charmed? Of course, barring the victim having recognized the spell for what it was when you cast it (or barring the enchanter being unable to convince the subject the spell he or she cast was merely a beneficial spell). These are the issues at hand.</p><p></p><p>Adding to the mix, I say that someone upon whom a charm spell is cast may not even realize he or she was the subject of the spell in question, so long as there were other viable targets for a spell in the area -- including the caster!</p><p></p><p>Victim: What did you just do, wizard?</p><p>Enchanter: Oh, that? Simply a mnemonic dweomer my friend; nothing to be concerned about. I needed to remember a certain place in the city to find a certain person quickly. *smiles*</p><p>Victim: Oh. Okay. *smiles*</p><p>Enchanter: Would you like to come with me?</p><p>Victim: Sure. Who is it?</p><p>Enchanter: Alderman Brockmore.</p><p>Victim: I know him! You should have asked me first. I can show you where....</p><p>Enchanter: *smiles*</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khur, post: 506507, member: 5583"] [b]Off-topic ...[/b] smetzger, This balance issue of your feat really intrigues me. How do you come by the balance factors for your feat? How do you know it's balanced? Balanced by whose authority? I'm not questioning your integrity by the way, I'm just curious as to what your methods are. If you'd rather share them in a non-public forum, feel free to email me. Back on topic: I like what everyone's saying ... it's a lively topic. It's refreshing to hear so many intelligent opinions and creative solutions. The "line of sight" thing is certainly relevant, but just because you can see the subject of the spell, doesn't mean he can see you. Further, what if the curtain can be seen through? ;) Whether a subject of charm person would remember any uncharacteristic actions he or she took is beyond question. Of course a victim would remember such behavior. The real question is, ultimately, what if you (with great care and sensitivity) didn't ask for uncharacteristic behavior as the caster of charm? What if you just nudged your new friend along certain lines of thinking that were more beneficial for you? What if you supplemented the charm by treating the subject well, to boot? Would the subject even know he or she had been charmed? Of course, barring the victim having recognized the spell for what it was when you cast it (or barring the enchanter being unable to convince the subject the spell he or she cast was merely a beneficial spell). These are the issues at hand. Adding to the mix, I say that someone upon whom a charm spell is cast may not even realize he or she was the subject of the spell in question, so long as there were other viable targets for a spell in the area -- including the caster! Victim: What did you just do, wizard? Enchanter: Oh, that? Simply a mnemonic dweomer my friend; nothing to be concerned about. I needed to remember a certain place in the city to find a certain person quickly. *smiles* Victim: Oh. Okay. *smiles* Enchanter: Would you like to come with me? Victim: Sure. Who is it? Enchanter: Alderman Brockmore. Victim: I know him! You should have asked me first. I can show you where.... Enchanter: *smiles* :D [/QUOTE]
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