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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8140644" data-attributes="member: 6801252">I don't consider expressions of irritation with someone who is already in the process of disrespecting me to be rude. This is honestly what I was worried about when you made the comment accusing me of rudeness, the problem you have with me is that I'm coming across as uppity, because I'm teaching someone something in the process of rejecting their argument. Yes, I was a little frictive about the '5 players' comment because Retreater was directing heat at me for my disagreement, so it was phrased flippantly but I hardly think I've been especially 'hotter' than the temperature of this room, including you.As for the second part, if you feel like you want to throw in the towel here, then honestly I encourage you to do so. I know you're framing here is meant to convey that I'm just not understanding something that hasn't been touched by my arguments to the contrary, but I've seen nothing of the reasoning of your position, you've been holding it back, I have no way of judging its quality. My post was a response to a paragraph outlining in exact terms, what I don't understand, and why I think it does work just fine. If that isn't sufficient to convey engagement or respect, or whatever it is you're looking for, I'm afraid I don't have anything to offer you and I have no intention of begging.</blockquote>