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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8129218" data-attributes="member: 16814">I don't agree with this.&nbsp; An equivalent statement would be that if players don't catch a lie, they have sufficient truth.You're comparing different events here -- one in which the NPC is invented (prior to play, presumably) to one where the NPC is not invented at all.&nbsp; In your first instance, the GM has invented the NPC prior to play and imagined how that NPC will act.&nbsp; Then you have the same NPC invented in play and concede that this is largely equivalent.&nbsp; But, then you imagine that the NPC was not created prior to play and then not created in play, and wonder how this works against a case where the NPC is invented.&nbsp; If you lay it out this way, the resolution becomes apparent -- there's no issue because that NPC wasn't created.&nbsp; It's the same as asking what happens if you, as GM, don't create this NPC prior to play -- does nothing happen then?&nbsp; Yes, nothing happens with that NPC, because it wasn't created.&nbsp; Instead, presumably, something else was created (a game was played), so that's what happens -- and it doesn't really matter, for this argument, whether the something is created before or during play.&nbsp; Compare like to like.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8129218, member: 16814"] I don't agree with this. An equivalent statement would be that if players don't catch a lie, they have sufficient truth. You're comparing different events here -- one in which the NPC is invented (prior to play, presumably) to one where the NPC is not invented at all. In your first instance, the GM has invented the NPC prior to play and imagined how that NPC will act. Then you have the same NPC invented in play and concede that this is largely equivalent. But, then you imagine that the NPC was not created prior to play and then not created in play, and wonder how this works against a case where the NPC is invented. If you lay it out this way, the resolution becomes apparent -- there's no issue because that NPC wasn't created. It's the same as asking what happens if you, as GM, don't create this NPC prior to play -- does nothing happen then? Yes, nothing happens with that NPC, because it wasn't created. Instead, presumably, something else was created (a game was played), so that's what happens -- and it doesn't really matter, for this argument, whether the something is created before or during play. Compare like to like. [/QUOTE]

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