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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8133137" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Well, the full quote was as below:I read it as the bold applying even if the info came from a NPC. But, although I think that's a valid interpretation, you're right in that it is not as certain as I was recalling. So my apologies to both you and [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] .And I think this largely relates to the point I was making that it all depends on how it was handled in the moment. Were mechanics used at the time? Which NPC was involved and how was this information presented? And so on. I think all these kinds of details would factor into how a GM should handle this kind of situation. As I said earlier, I wouldn't say having a NPC betray the PCs is Illusionism or any other kind of GM Force in and of itself.....it's all in about how it all plays out at the table. Maybe a better way to put it is that we can always revise the fiction in any way that is needed. We can't revise how things actually played out at the table. Subverting that is what I am warning against, even if the players would be unaware.</blockquote>