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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8134837" data-attributes="member: 6696971">People who are competent (even hyper-competent) deal with failure and setbacks constantly.&nbsp; Master-level climbers and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu players suffer setbacks and complications that they have to overcome (injuries, equipment failure, mental fatigue/distraction leading to suboptimal outcome, technical soundness failing in a challenging situation 1 in 20 times, misjudged route to success - applies to both, etc).&nbsp; Its all &quot;success with complications.&quot;&nbsp; In my martial life (which includes BJJ among other things) its overwhelmingly success with complications despite being very accomplished.&nbsp; In my social and intellectual life, its, again, overwhelmingly &quot;success with complications&quot; with a smattering of successes and failures.&nbsp; By my reckoning, &quot;success with complications&quot; being the engine of the snowballing nature of PBtA games both (a) makes for compelling play and (b) comports with the experience of being a social animal thrust into competition/conflict with other social animals.So, in this, I think one of a few things are happening (or both):1)&nbsp; Your calibration of &quot;failure&quot; vs &quot;success but complication/cost&quot; vs &quot;success&quot; is off (I remember we had the discussion prior about the AW example and I don't think we ever had a meeting of the minds...so my guess is this is part of it).2)&nbsp; The GM you've seen run it (I don't believe you've played it?) wasn't doing their job correctly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8134837, member: 6696971"] People who are competent (even hyper-competent) deal with failure and setbacks constantly. Master-level climbers and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu players suffer setbacks and complications that they have to overcome (injuries, equipment failure, mental fatigue/distraction leading to suboptimal outcome, technical soundness failing in a challenging situation 1 in 20 times, misjudged route to success - applies to both, etc). Its all "success with complications." In my martial life (which includes BJJ among other things) its overwhelmingly success with complications despite being very accomplished. In my social and intellectual life, its, again, overwhelmingly "success with complications" with a smattering of successes and failures. By my reckoning, "success with complications" being the engine of the snowballing nature of PBtA games both (a) makes for compelling play and (b) comports with the experience of being a social animal thrust into competition/conflict with other social animals. So, in this, I think one of a few things are happening (or both): 1) Your calibration of "failure" vs "success but complication/cost" vs "success" is off (I remember we had the discussion prior about the AW example and I don't think we ever had a meeting of the minds...so my guess is this is part of it). 2) The GM you've seen run it (I don't believe you've played it?) wasn't doing their job correctly. [/QUOTE]

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