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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8134841" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Lets call it 80 % (not quite 100 %).&nbsp; Garbage, back of the envelope made up nonsense numbers but lets say the other 20 % are made up of 10 % people who just don't like the gameplay and for 10 % its a partisan thing (a culture war between indie games and trad games).But the lack of and/or different sets of toggles is THE issue (and the biggest cross-section overall in terms of population) when it comes to a long-term D&amp;D player citing &quot;jarring&quot; for these other games.And its sincere.&nbsp; I believe them.&nbsp; I know it to be true because I personally know many of these people (who are sincere, earnest people).The problem is/was (certainly a decade ago and 5 years hence) the culture war aspect of it and those 10 % above being not so self-aware or intellectually dishonest (about the nature of the toggle paradigm) and asserting aggressively and endlessly that the locus of the &quot;jarring&quot; was the new game itself...and not the habituation of themselves to another toggle over a period of years.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8134841, member: 6696971"] Lets call it 80 % (not quite 100 %). Garbage, back of the envelope made up nonsense numbers but lets say the other 20 % are made up of 10 % people who just don't like the gameplay and for 10 % its a partisan thing (a culture war between indie games and trad games). But the lack of and/or different sets of toggles is THE issue (and the biggest cross-section overall in terms of population) when it comes to a long-term D&D player citing "jarring" for these other games. And its sincere. I believe them. I know it to be true because I personally know many of these people (who are sincere, earnest people). The problem is/was (certainly a decade ago and 5 years hence) the culture war aspect of it and those 10 % above being not so self-aware or intellectually dishonest (about the nature of the toggle paradigm) and asserting aggressively and endlessly that the locus of the "jarring" was the new game itself...and not the habituation of themselves to another toggle over a period of years. [/QUOTE]

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