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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8136337" data-attributes="member: 6696971">With respect, this is a bit rich when I've been a member of extreme minority tastes in the TTRPGing community for over a decade and a half and have consistently had that reality reinforced to me in discussions in order to basically tell me to &quot;piss off&quot; because mainstream tastes etc etc.My tastes are niche (they absolutely are) and I take no offense to that.&nbsp; Its self-evident.&nbsp; And its not my way of saying its a &quot;fringe position&quot; and elevating my own thoughts or experiences on it.&nbsp; Its clearly niche because of all the conversations we've had on ENWorld in the last many years on the subject, this is the very first time this has come up.&nbsp; Now many, many, many other objections have come up.&nbsp; But this one?&nbsp; First time ever.&nbsp; And the other line of evidence that it is a niche cognitive framework (I'm not going to call it a &quot;position&quot; because its the habitation of an emotional state) is because (even without the 800 lb gorilla backing them), these indie games have been enormously successful and they've had at their beating heart the exact Success With Complications that we're talking about!&nbsp; And when (broadly) people don't play them its overwhelmingly because of access (they can't get a game or can't arouse a game because everyone is just playing D&amp;D because overwhelmingly TTRPGers are casual and just play the cultural icon with the most ease of access).&nbsp; Its no big deal to have a niche cognitive framework when it comes to this thing or that thing.&nbsp; I've got more than most.&nbsp; Plenty of others do as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8136337, member: 6696971"] With respect, this is a bit rich when I've been a member of extreme minority tastes in the TTRPGing community for over a decade and a half and have consistently had that reality reinforced to me in discussions in order to basically tell me to "piss off" because mainstream tastes etc etc. My tastes are niche (they absolutely are) and I take no offense to that. Its self-evident. And its not my way of saying its a "fringe position" and elevating my own thoughts or experiences on it. Its clearly niche because of all the conversations we've had on ENWorld in the last many years on the subject, this is the very first time this has come up. Now many, many, many other objections have come up. But this one? First time ever. And the other line of evidence that it is a niche cognitive framework (I'm not going to call it a "position" because its the habitation of an emotional state) is because (even without the 800 lb gorilla backing them), these indie games have been enormously successful and they've had at their beating heart the exact Success With Complications that we're talking about! And when (broadly) people don't play them its overwhelmingly because of access (they can't get a game or can't arouse a game because everyone is just playing D&D because overwhelmingly TTRPGers are casual and just play the cultural icon with the most ease of access). Its no big deal to have a niche cognitive framework when it comes to this thing or that thing. I've got more than most. Plenty of others do as well. [/QUOTE]

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