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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8137230" data-attributes="member: 42582">What you say here is an abdication of responsibility is what Gygax presents as the norm in his discussion of stronghold placement.You're welcome, of course, to play a game that departs from Gygax's principles. But I don't know on what basis you are presenting that as some sort of moral imperative!I mean, if I am playing Burning Wheel or Dungeon World and the GM unilaterally starts deciding all this stuff without asking questions/looking for suggestions (DW) and without calling for player input via Wises and similar checks (BW) then s/he is breaking the rules of the game and I am going to want to stop playing.The topic of this thread is, which one involves more player agency? I think the answer is obvious.It's not the same as that, because playing a game is not the same as wandering around a strange city.In the fiction, the character is wandering around a place and looking for things. That doesn't make them appear: Evard built his tower some time in the past (relative to the action of my PC and his sidekick).In the real world, it would be independent of me as a player if the GM makes the decision unilaterally. Obviously that would be a sign of me not having agency in respect of that matter. To me that would not be a good thing; hence that's why I tend not to play or GM games in that fashion.</blockquote>