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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8138352"><p>Well the OP liked my post, so I don't think I failed in that respect. I honestly don't understand you at this point Pemerton. Look some of us see play primarily as playing the world through your character, and this is how we've seen the game from when we started back on early editions. And some of us, you for example, seem to have a loser understanding of that. And this is all getting bound up in the question of agency and we are responding to a poster who wanted to know if he was honoring his players sense of agency. In order for me to answer that person's question I really need to know where he resides in terms of these two views of how players engage the game world. And you seem to be saying I need to accept your view of what the norm is for some reason, or need to accept that this distinction some of us see isn't really there. I don't know what to do with that. And I am really not sure what your overall point is. I feel like I have responded as best I can to your points. I think in terms of what Gygax meant, what those kinds of cases imply, we simply disagree, and there probably isn't a way to bridge that. In terms of what we consider the typical style of play through the years, we would also disagree. But the focus I am taking here is trying to address the OPs original concern and avoid these kinds of play style and perspective arguments (which you and I always seem to get bogged down in during play).</p></blockquote><p></p>

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