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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8138842">I don't think there is any problem with a game allowing this sort of thing. I specifically called out Hillfolk as a game I like that does just that sort of thing. I have no issue with you wanting this in a game. Where I, and others, are taking exception is inserting that into something like a wilderness check. Obviously if your group is down with a wilderness check being used in that way, fair enough. But if you were to join my table, you wouldn't be allowed to make a wilderness check like that in one of my standard campaigns (and I don't think using wilderness checks that way is the way people usually expect them to be used). In the example of the iron hills, if you are introducing the concept of the iron hills to the setting by saying Lothar knows the iron hills are to the north, then that would to me, be both an example of you the player shaping the setting itself, and you using a wilderness roll in a  way that isn't the norm (and I am not saying this pejoratively to label your style or approach 'abnormal', I am saying it isn't what is typically expected or done). I have never once said it isn't a valid way to play. I have stated numerous times it is valid and fine, and that I have even played that way myself and enjoyed it. Does the whole fictional come crashing down? No, but some players are going to get annoyed if the GM isn't the one making those calls. And for some players it could produce believability and buy in issues. I even said earlier, I ran a session of my normal game where I let the players decide what was on the map. But I did at least recognize it was an exception to how we normally did things, and it did change the feel of play (and it was a one time thing because I wanted the rest of the campaign to feel like our usual sessions). Again this is a playstyle and expectation issue. I am not saying any of them are good or bad. I am saying these are different</blockquote>

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