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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 8139222" data-attributes="member: 7025508">Considering that in example you wrote to demonstrate that it doesn't happen, it totally happened, I'm not convinced...You don't need to explain to me what's happening here. I understand what's happening, I just feel differently than you about the outcome. Of course I understand the reality of the game isn't really real. I said that the distinction is partly illusory, but that illusion of reality matters to some of us great deal. When the players can shape the game reality, the illusion of it being objective shatters. You might not care about that, some people care about it a lot. And pertinent to this discussion, it matters to how they feel about their choices. To me the reality of the game world not feeling objective also means that the choices I make against that reality feel less meaningful.And this is BTW why this discussion is going nowhere. Some people treat agency as objectively quantifiable thing. It is not. It is the player's ability to make meaningful choices in the game; and what feels meaningful to each individual is subjective, thus agency is subjective. I said like page one of this thread (or thereabouts) that if the players feel that they have enough agency, they have enough agency, and a lot of people protested. But I stand by that. It is the only measure of agency that actually matters.</blockquote>