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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8144291" data-attributes="member: 82106">Agreed, if you have simple mechanics, along the lines of 3.x or 5e's skill checks, which simply produce succeed/fail on the specific material action taken and don't consider intent, then social skills in that context replace players acting out the part of the character and basing success purely on what the GM thinks would happen in that situation with the results of a toss of dice based on some abstract statement of what the character's action is. As I said to [USER=85555]@Bedrockgames[/USER] that is a presupposition. It is kind of a pretty classic one that historically stems from the evolution of early 'Gygaxian' play into 2e 'story teller' play. We have all long contended that 2e's model (and thus 3.x and 5e) are incoherent. They lead to these problems. Some people are OK with that, others would rather play in an older model, and some people have adopted newer techniques which focus on intent instead of just the resolution of the action itself.</blockquote>