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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8144525" data-attributes="member: 82106">You can get both, to an extent. Again, look at [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER]'s BW example(s). The CHARACTER declares an action (Circles Check, Wises Check) and describes their intent (locate a specific NPC in the area, locate a building in the area). Now, we the players know that these elements aren't specifically described as having a location in the world yet, or at least their current state is undefined. We thus know that success, by BW rules, will set the state of the world. The CHARACTER doesn't know this! The character is NOT doing something illogical, out of character. Neither is the player 'out of character' here. So, is there actually some lack of immersion in the setting? I mean, even in a classic sandbox the player knows that SOMEONE at SOME POINT created the world, that it is a fiction. Why is it less immersive if the fiction was authored at 8:00PM on Saturday vs 12:00PM the previous Sunday on the GM's day off? I mean, sure, if there is a system where you have 'story points' and the player gets to spend them to add an element to a scene, unilaterally, at a certain point, then that might be argued to be more involved. There are now questions of a resource game the PLAYER is playing, etc. I think this would be another discussion, and IME there are few games which work this way. Certainly I can see having different feelings about such a game than about, say, BW or DW. In fact, about as close as any game DOES come to this, is Inspiration in 5e! (technically the player just "gets advantage", but presumably they should also supply fiction to justify it).</blockquote>

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