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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8145560" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>That is exactly what I had in mind. </p><p></p><p>Going back to your first paragraph, there is definitely that aspect of 4e yielding Situation and/or Setting Authority. I can think of a few others though (and let me know what you think):</p><p></p><p>1) The combination of Quests + baked-in character thematics ensure downstream effects. If you're a Sohei Themed Monk w/ the Quest "I will recover the Phase Spider Silk Sash of my order and lay low the Yokai who brought ruin to it", the game will entail (a) what you're describing above (a waist item that lets the Monk teleport or phase), (b) a revenge and recovery arc that puts a specific form of supernatural as the antagonism to the PC's protagonism.</p><p></p><p>2) The "say yes" genre logic, broad descriptor Skills & Keywords, codified and player-facing nature of 4e ensures the following:</p><p></p><p>* If the above (1) is true and...</p><p></p><p>* I'm in a parley w/ a local lord that is hostile to me without cause and...</p><p></p><p>* We're in a Complexity 2 Skill Challenge and we're at Success 5 and...</p><p></p><p>* I construe the situation as this Lord is either (a) possessed by a Yokai or (b) an actual Yokai but (c) regardless, involved in the conspiracy against my temple in some way...if I use an Arcana or Religion check (possibly backed by a key-worded power to give me a bonus) to adjure or reveal the possession/guise or if I sufficiently challenge the "Yokai-as-Lord" w/ Intimidate (yielding a success regardless of Arcana/Religion/Intimidate), then...</p><p></p><p>* The Skill Challenge will come to a close, my intent/goal in the challenge will be realized and now we're dealing with an unmasked Yokai, the shock or exposure of its court (perhaps they knew?), and the unrest that will ensue in this Prefecture as a result.</p><p></p><p>That is pretty significant Setting Authority and Situation Authority and a 4e GM is encouraged to say yes here (and must oblige the success of the Skill Challenge).</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p></p><p>This is the kind of thing that many GMs in this thread (and a huge array of ENWorld GMs outside of it) balked hard at (and that ingratiated 4e to you and I and some others in this thread).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8145560, member: 6696971"] That is exactly what I had in mind. Going back to your first paragraph, there is definitely that aspect of 4e yielding Situation and/or Setting Authority. I can think of a few others though (and let me know what you think): 1) The combination of Quests + baked-in character thematics ensure downstream effects. If you're a Sohei Themed Monk w/ the Quest "I will recover the Phase Spider Silk Sash of my order and lay low the Yokai who brought ruin to it", the game will entail (a) what you're describing above (a waist item that lets the Monk teleport or phase), (b) a revenge and recovery arc that puts a specific form of supernatural as the antagonism to the PC's protagonism. 2) The "say yes" genre logic, broad descriptor Skills & Keywords, codified and player-facing nature of 4e ensures the following: * If the above (1) is true and... * I'm in a parley w/ a local lord that is hostile to me without cause and... * We're in a Complexity 2 Skill Challenge and we're at Success 5 and... * I construe the situation as this Lord is either (a) possessed by a Yokai or (b) an actual Yokai but (c) regardless, involved in the conspiracy against my temple in some way...if I use an Arcana or Religion check (possibly backed by a key-worded power to give me a bonus) to adjure or reveal the possession/guise or if I sufficiently challenge the "Yokai-as-Lord" w/ Intimidate (yielding a success regardless of Arcana/Religion/Intimidate), then... * The Skill Challenge will come to a close, my intent/goal in the challenge will be realized and now we're dealing with an unmasked Yokai, the shock or exposure of its court (perhaps they knew?), and the unrest that will ensue in this Prefecture as a result. That is pretty significant Setting Authority and Situation Authority and a 4e GM is encouraged to say yes here (and must oblige the success of the Skill Challenge). [HR][/HR] This is the kind of thing that many GMs in this thread (and a huge array of ENWorld GMs outside of it) balked hard at (and that ingratiated 4e to you and I and some others in this thread). [/QUOTE]
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