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Message: <blockquote data-quote="darkbard" data-source="post: 8146961" data-attributes="member: 1282">I appreciate your response here, [USER=85555]@Bedrockgames[/USER].Why, though, conflate advocacy with scoring points through rhetoric as if they are identical? Advocacy need not include gamesmanship to function.Sometimes new ideas, new principles and techniques, take a while to bear fruit. If you find an argument convincing but haven't been able to make it work at the table, perhaps you haven't given the shift in principles enough time to take effect in refiguring your play. (Or perhaps they just aren't for you,.that you thought you wanted a particular desideratum in your game but it turns out you don't.)</blockquote>