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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8147579" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well... If the 'scope' is &quot;we are going to play through the DGQ module series&quot; and what you're saying is that the player shouldn't have the agency to decide that he's going to lead the party through a planar gate to Jotenheim instead of monkey with Drow because of that, then I'd say he's got little agency and his character's traits aren't going to be making much difference. The story arc is already set! As [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] stated above, the grumpy fighter and the happy fighter DO EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF, and end up in the same place, etc. I'm not sure I even call that RP, really. I mean, OK, marginally if there are a few minor instances where some action in an encounter goes a bit different, but that's pretty darn light weight in my book! We're just saying, we want to play characters who come up with what THEY want to do, or are driven to do things based on their personality/etc. and not &quot;Because this is the module and you're going to run through it.&quot; Obviously, though lacking mechanics needed to guarantee it, there's the possibility of such play in D&amp;D. I think it is VERY rare for it to be consistently realized, even by groups with the awareness of the techniques. I take this from experience. While we discuss our 5e games and have player input on what we would like to do next, it is still not equivalent to what would happen if the game was Burning Wheel. The system just doesn't foster it, and there are pieces that are actively missing in play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8147579, member: 82106"] Well... If the 'scope' is "we are going to play through the DGQ module series" and what you're saying is that the player shouldn't have the agency to decide that he's going to lead the party through a planar gate to Jotenheim instead of monkey with Drow because of that, then I'd say he's got little agency and his character's traits aren't going to be making much difference. The story arc is already set! As [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] stated above, the grumpy fighter and the happy fighter DO EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF, and end up in the same place, etc. I'm not sure I even call that RP, really. I mean, OK, marginally if there are a few minor instances where some action in an encounter goes a bit different, but that's pretty darn light weight in my book! We're just saying, we want to play characters who come up with what THEY want to do, or are driven to do things based on their personality/etc. and not "Because this is the module and you're going to run through it." Obviously, though lacking mechanics needed to guarantee it, there's the possibility of such play in D&D. I think it is VERY rare for it to be consistently realized, even by groups with the awareness of the techniques. I take this from experience. While we discuss our 5e games and have player input on what we would like to do next, it is still not equivalent to what would happen if the game was Burning Wheel. The system just doesn't foster it, and there are pieces that are actively missing in play. [/QUOTE]

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