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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8148370" data-attributes="member: 6696971">On the first paragraph, I need some clarity:Is it your opinion that if you don't have complete autonomy over a thing/situation then there is no agency erected?  If you're not saying that, but you are saying that x % autonomy is required, then what value (obviously roughly) is x?On your 2nd paragraph, that is precisely why I invoked The Czege Principle and Ouija Board play.  If (a) you get to decide if a thing you care about is tested and (b) the outcome of the test is 100 % volitional, then where is the crucible?  If there is no crucible then there is no test.  There is just moving a planchette across a board and pretending there is some external volitional force at work and the attendant theatrics.</blockquote>