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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8150392" data-attributes="member: 6785785">So if a player has his PC try to jump a ravine, and fails his check and the PC falls and takes falling damage, the player had no agency in the matter? Do you think that controlling the outcome is a requirement of agency?I think that they are very different in relation to player agency. If I as a player declare an action for my PC and I know that dice will be involved in the resolution, then I will likely have some kind of information that allows me to determine the chance for success and risk and so on. The dice bring a quantifiable element to it. I have a +3 to my relevant skill, the DC is 12, etc and so forth. This means when I decide to go ahead, I am making an informed decision.If instead of dice and math, I know that the action will need approval from the GM, then it is far less certain. There may be ways that I can possibly predict the chances....knowing the GM well is a big one. I don't think that giving dice some sense of will really sheds any light on the matter.</blockquote>