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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8150474" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I'm not following here. I would argue that, succeed or fail, the player had agency in this situation. They decided what their character would do or not do, and then followed the resolution system of the game to determine the outcome. It's all one instance, no?Okay, good.Okay, I agree that system and so forth may matter, but that doesn't mean that we cannot say which of two options may have more agency.&nbsp;Part of the reason for that is because all those additional points of input are subject to the whim of another person. Sure you may phrase something in a way that makes the GM think &quot;interesting, I'll give them a +2 for that&quot;, but another GM may say &quot;oof, that was a bad call, I'm gonna give them a -4&quot;. That lack of consistency means that generally speaking, players will be making decisions that are less informed, and are subjected to the will of the GM in every manner.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 8150474, member: 6785785"] I'm not following here. I would argue that, succeed or fail, the player had agency in this situation. They decided what their character would do or not do, and then followed the resolution system of the game to determine the outcome. It's all one instance, no? Okay, good. Okay, I agree that system and so forth may matter, but that doesn't mean that we cannot say which of two options may have more agency. Part of the reason for that is because all those additional points of input are subject to the whim of another person. Sure you may phrase something in a way that makes the GM think "interesting, I'll give them a +2 for that", but another GM may say "oof, that was a bad call, I'm gonna give them a -4". That lack of consistency means that generally speaking, players will be making decisions that are less informed, and are subjected to the will of the GM in every manner. [/QUOTE]

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