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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8150680" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I don't dissent from your point about why it might matter.</p><p></p><p>My point, rather, is that - contra at least [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] and [USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER] - a player being limited in deciding what his/her PC feels is no more or less a constraint on how s/he can roleplay that PC than is the GM getting to decide the architecture, the weather, the nature of the planes, etc.</p><p></p><p>To elaborate further:</p><p></p><p>If I (playing my character) want to inspect the night sky (eg for an astrological thing) and can't because the GM has established that there is a roof over my head (eg maybe I lost a brawl and got locked up in a windowless dungeon), then that is just as limiting - on action declaration and on free narration of my PC's words and thoughts - as if some game process has established that I love the Queen.</p><p></p><p>In some games there are limits on how strictly the GM or some other process can establish that I love the Queen - eg in typical D&D the fiction has to involve magic for this to happen.</p><p></p><p>In some games there are limits on how strictly the GM or some other process can establish I got locked upon in a windowless dungeon - eg in Burning Wheel it's open to me to declare a Dungeons-wise or even Window-wise check (drawing on my in-character recollection that (eg) dungeons in this part often have small window high up to let out the reek) and if it succeeds then my recollection is correct and there is a small window high up in the dungeon wall through which I can see the night sky.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8150680, member: 42582"] I don't dissent from your point about why it might matter. My point, rather, is that - contra at least [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] and [USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER] - a player being limited in deciding what his/her PC feels is no more or less a constraint on how s/he can roleplay that PC than is the GM getting to decide the architecture, the weather, the nature of the planes, etc. To elaborate further: If I (playing my character) want to inspect the night sky (eg for an astrological thing) and can't because the GM has established that there is a roof over my head (eg maybe I lost a brawl and got locked up in a windowless dungeon), then that is just as limiting - on action declaration and on free narration of my PC's words and thoughts - as if some game process has established that I love the Queen. In some games there are limits on how strictly the GM or some other process can establish that I love the Queen - eg in typical D&D the fiction has to involve magic for this to happen. In some games there are limits on how strictly the GM or some other process can establish I got locked upon in a windowless dungeon - eg in Burning Wheel it's open to me to declare a Dungeons-wise or even Window-wise check (drawing on my in-character recollection that (eg) dungeons in this part often have small window high up to let out the reek) and if it succeeds then my recollection is correct and there is a small window high up in the dungeon wall through which I can see the night sky. [/QUOTE]
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