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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8151407" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>Im just skimming and don’t have time for more thoughts (I was going to put together a post on Cloaks/Coats and how they might manifest in different systems - Mouse Guard, Dogs in the Vineyard - but I’m not sure it’s worth the trouble at this point), but I do want to comment on this.</p><p></p><p>[USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER] </p><p></p><p>Does this exchange you’re having with [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER] remind you of conversations you and I had in the past on 4e Skill Challenges? The one with the Gorge being a complication of a failed navigation check?</p><p></p><p>Just like in that old thread, I’m completekg dumbfounded by your reply to Ovinomancer above. His play excerpt is (a) absolutely 100 % in line with coherent Blades playing and GMing in every way, (b) the Complication is very good and appropriate GMing, (c) and how in the world are you coming to the conclusion that the play loop (including the player’s decision-point and subsequent conversation and action declaration) wasn’t informed and sensibly resolved? Everything about this situation screams coherent and inferable from the player’s side! The moment I began reading the excerpt I knew what the complication was going to be! So if there is any charge to be made it’s that the Complication was “too genre cliche! (Which I don’t think it was...but if someone is going to cry foul, that is the side of the continuum to land on...not it’s an unintuitive “gotcha”)”</p><p></p><p>This is so eerily like out exchange those years ago.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8151407, member: 6696971"] Im just skimming and don’t have time for more thoughts (I was going to put together a post on Cloaks/Coats and how they might manifest in different systems - Mouse Guard, Dogs in the Vineyard - but I’m not sure it’s worth the trouble at this point), but I do want to comment on this. [USER=48965]@Imaro[/USER] Does this exchange you’re having with [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER] remind you of conversations you and I had in the past on 4e Skill Challenges? The one with the Gorge being a complication of a failed navigation check? Just like in that old thread, I’m completekg dumbfounded by your reply to Ovinomancer above. His play excerpt is (a) absolutely 100 % in line with coherent Blades playing and GMing in every way, (b) the Complication is very good and appropriate GMing, (c) and how in the world are you coming to the conclusion that the play loop (including the player’s decision-point and subsequent conversation and action declaration) wasn’t informed and sensibly resolved? Everything about this situation screams coherent and inferable from the player’s side! The moment I began reading the excerpt I knew what the complication was going to be! So if there is any charge to be made it’s that the Complication was “too genre cliche! (Which I don’t think it was...but if someone is going to cry foul, that is the side of the continuum to land on...not it’s an unintuitive “gotcha”)” This is so eerily like out exchange those years ago. [/QUOTE]
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