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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8151552" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I think we can agree that the player didn't know the exact consequence of his action ahead of time.&nbsp; He may have knew it was dangerous and even had some idea of how severe the consequences would be of failure.&nbsp; But if that's enough to make an informed decision then it further reinforces the criticism that the actual resulting fiction doesn't matter.&nbsp; It's essentially window dressing as all that one needs to know about danger is the potential severity of the consequences.While I'm sure it would be frowned upon, from what I am hearing one could play blades of the dark without ever making up a fictional story simply by invoking the mechanics in mechanical terms.Player: &quot;I'm going to do a desperate action&quot;DM: &quot;Your consequence will be severe&quot;Player: &quot;I rolled failure&quot;DM: &quot;X happens, from now on Y is the effect&quot;I'm sure that's a rather simplified version as I'm sure there's some extra mechanics in there I'm not aware of - but it shouldn't be hard to step through the actual mechanics and end up in a similar but state.I don't believe this would be possible with 5e D&amp;D play as the DM must use the fictional positioning to determine when a roll is required in the first place.&nbsp; Though I'm open to criticisms of that opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8151552, member: 6795602"] I think we can agree that the player didn't know the exact consequence of his action ahead of time. He may have knew it was dangerous and even had some idea of how severe the consequences would be of failure. But if that's enough to make an informed decision then it further reinforces the criticism that the actual resulting fiction doesn't matter. It's essentially window dressing as all that one needs to know about danger is the potential severity of the consequences. While I'm sure it would be frowned upon, from what I am hearing one could play blades of the dark without ever making up a fictional story simply by invoking the mechanics in mechanical terms. Player: "I'm going to do a desperate action" DM: "Your consequence will be severe" Player: "I rolled failure" DM: "X happens, from now on Y is the effect" I'm sure that's a rather simplified version as I'm sure there's some extra mechanics in there I'm not aware of - but it shouldn't be hard to step through the actual mechanics and end up in a similar but state. I don't believe this would be possible with 5e D&D play as the DM must use the fictional positioning to determine when a roll is required in the first place. Though I'm open to criticisms of that opinion. [/QUOTE]

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