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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8152524" data-attributes="member: 6795602">No misunderstanding on my part.  You certainly claim that more or less agency doesn't matter, but at the end of the day as you noted here, you believe you like games simply because they have greater agency.  My counterclaim is that even in regards to yourself that it's not actually because of greater agency, it's because you have an aesthetic preference for certain types of agency.  One could imagine a game with even more agency than the ones you like and you could absolutely hate it because it gives you agency over something you aesthetically dislike having agency over.A rather trivial example of this would be a game granting agency over anything that violates the Crezge principle.  That would certainly be a higher agency game, and so if you were correct then one that likes games because they have more agency should like games that violate that principle and yet they don't.I would say a talk on types things players can control in different RPG's would do a much better job (and those game's purpose for granting the player control over things things).</blockquote>